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Old 03-24-2019, 07:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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It is probably just me, When old watches are made to look new again just never hits the mark. I understand a new crystal and gaskets, But to do so much work on an older watch when one can see the original beauty of the watch mixed up with the new redone parts just has too much contrast in the overall look. Yeah, I know it is just me.....But I also know you see it too
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I like my watches to look nice but not overcooked, so don't mind having some work done to them to get them looking better
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Medium Rare for me Please. Overly Well Done kills the Taste.
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Sympathetic restoration only here.

Replace seals (where possible/available) and assess the crystal for polishing otherwise replace.
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Sympathetic restoration only here.

Replace seals (where possible/available) and assess the crystal for polishing otherwise replace.
I remember you restored a 6119 by reluming the original hands.


Anyway, I'm not sure what you're criticising, Dave. Work like I and others do. Or aftermarket parts added. Or modding. Etc etc.
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Are you refering to case polishing specifically?

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^^^ Guy, Things like fresh new looking lume on worn original hands, Case Refinishing/Polishing that looks fresh but still has nicks and dings elsewhere...Dials that are obviously aged with new/wrong looking lume. Wrong colors etc...Heck even the wrong New profiled crystal looks off...If I meant this towards any one I would mention there name. Just observations and opinion.
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Well, on polishing I always think it curves edges and looks too blurry, but it can work. Case wear has no impact on dial wear so...a new dial in an old case doesn't bother me. We see that on originals anyway.

Relumes, I'm for them, especially if done well. I have a niggle about it, of course everyone does...but I see it as well worth doing on brown black original lume. And if done right I think can really look beautiful. Jonas' bullhead springs to mind aswell as ones Tom and Dave M and Duncan have done.

Fresh new lume on worn original hands I'd agree...but maybe only if it is crisp green or white lume. Toning it down with yellow and blacks I think can make it look a lot better....if a hand is too worn then surely it would always look poor, relume or not.

Crystals, well I'm with you there.. but even the 6105 has a large range of originals, type 1 2 3 etc., that all work in their own right. But when I see double domed blue ar on a 6309 etc..I can't stand that...
I do tend to leave a lightly scratched crystal more than I used to.
I think there is a lot of resistance to restoration because of what others might think, maybe if one is trying to sell. And also of course resistance because of originality. But then if originality is the issue I would argue against any replacement parts! And that includes train wheels.
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I think it depends on the watch, in case by case scenarios and also the person, all subjective. Saw Spencer’s Friday video and the ufo that the customer was interested in reluming. He adviced against it, and I agree, it would have lost some of its vintage characteristics. I have a watch for restoration that I’ll probably end up having to ask Guy to relume, the level of deterioration is a little over the top that it’s no longer pleasing to look at.
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I remember you restored a 6119 by reluming the original hands.


Anyway, I'm not sure what you're criticising, Dave. Work like I and others do. Or aftermarket parts added. Or modding. Etc etc.
Yes but I didn't use lume paste and the original minute was blackening so it was somewhat sympathetic.
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^^^ Guy, Things like fresh new looking lume on worn original hands, Case Refinishing/Polishing that looks fresh but still has nicks and dings elsewhere...Dials that are obviously aged with new/wrong looking lume. Wrong colors etc...Heck even the wrong New profiled crystal looks off...If I meant this towards any one I would mention there name. Just observations and opinion.
I add especially when a combination of above are done to the same watch.
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Well for me...i love using original parts as much as possible ...but i also will use the very best quality aftermarket parts too when it comes to seals and gaskets from Adrian VTA and crystals like Spencer Klein and Jonathan's and even bezel inserts and such .....i prefer relumes as well...hands and dials with black on lume areas needs to be addressed...any way we can put these beautiful watches back together and enjoy them...God Bless,John
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Come on fella's its only an old Seiko.
Polish the case until it has a mirror finish, don't bother reluming the hands or dial, it takes too long, just fit shiny new AM parts. If the dial doesn't fit, glue it on and if the hand holes are slightly too big use a MIG welder.
Then join a forum and give yourself a fancy name, something like WatchquackUK, and proclaim its what your customers want.

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Come on fella's its only an old Seiko.
Polish the case until it has a mirror finish, don't bother reluming the hands or dial, it takes too long, just fit shiny new AM parts. If the dial doesn't fit, glue it on and if the hand holes are slightly too big use a MIG welder.
Then join a forum and give yourself a fancy name, something like WatchquackUK, and proclaim its what your customers want.

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Well i hope more will not do work like this...it makes it harder for us all....

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I have found The most important Refresh has most to do with the
Person doing the work. After Hundred or so Most came out beautiful. The worst is OVER Polishing Losing the Edge of the case line as spoken above. Reluming, Gaskets, Really a Full Servicing is Nice when necessary. IMHO its a learning experience as in purchasing a Watch
"Buy the Seller"Same as in who does the work.
I have been Extremely Fortunate I pay what is wanted and expect
Beautiful Work to be done. As Randal Benson would Say" The better condition of the watch you send me the better my work will come out>" It's a JOY opening a pkg from the Mail Box and Not be able to stop Smiling
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Yea, I'm still driving around in my o'l 70' Mustang. All those Rust holes along with the Blue Smoke coming out of the tail pipe just give it Character. The Chassis never been lubed so you can hear me coming from around the corner a mile away and that thing is just all over the road from those Loose Steering parts and Dry Rotted tires but one thing I can say For Sure: The Finish is original, Dull as Heck, and it's never been Polished!.
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Tom, Simon, Guy. Anyone of those Guys could do what they want with any of my watches, without even asking. I trust they would re-lume where necessary, same for casework, dial restoration. You make the Watch look as good as it can without erasing the history.

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Tom, The automobile analogy is always a good laugh, Thanks for that. It just may be that the work should mimic the original rather than make it looking newer, Often the sympathetic feel is thrown out there...Well, Sympathy sounds more like "Oh well I felt I did the least without making any noticeable difference" I can't do the work most do...I don't want to. If the work and effort put forth looked like it was original Maybe, Just Maybe it would look as nice as Factory work rather than a re-do of sorts. Just thinking out loud and there is always room for improvement rather than praise.
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David,
I only had Humor in mind with my post. I've been working with metal since the 70's and I'm always very careful when it comes to refinishing. Case lines can be kept intact and factory finishes can be restored for the most part with refinishing work.
Case lines that have previously been damaged by poor workmanship can't be restored and large dings + dents can only be minimized. I just prefer a watch that looks as close as possible to what it looked like when new. If you lived close by I'd invite you over for a tutorial.........
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Don't touch something that has honest wear and tear and is as original as the day it came from the factory...
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this is so complicated. some people treat watches as art
projects, some as history projects, some as art history
projects, there's good and bad work done in all categories,
and then there's the whole matter of taste, which is simply
indisputable, and always has been.

i advise you to please yourself, whoever you are, and i think
any job worth doing is worth doing as well as possible. and
the bottom line is, if you're not pissing somebody off, you're
probably not doing good work seriously.
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this is so complicated. some people treat watches as art
projects, some as history projects, some as art history
projects, there's good and bad work done in all categories,
and then there's the whole matter of taste, which is simply
indisputable, and always has been.

i advise you to please yourself, whoever you are, and i think
any job worth doing is worth doing as well as possible. and
the bottom line is, if you're not pissing somebody off, you're
probably not doing good work seriously.





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Punctuation is a job worth doing properly
did i, in your estimation, make an error? i'm an old
latin scholar myself.
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this is so complicated. some people treat watches as art
projects, some as history projects, some as art history
projects, there's good and bad work done in all categories,
and then there's the whole matter of taste, which is simply
indisputable, and always has been.

i advise you to please yourself, whoever you are, and i think
any job worth doing is worth doing as well as possible. and
the bottom line is, if you're not pissing somebody off, you're
probably not doing good work seriously.
Thanks for the addition ^^^ No doubt the differences in opinionated outcomes are always going to differ. For myself the minds eye needs to be happy, Not my eyes
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did i, in your estimation, make an error? i'm an old
latin scholar myself.





Don't worry. It's the meaning in the text that is most important
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