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Old 03-25-2019, 06:17 PM   #51 (permalink)
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Well as i speak just for myself...this thread has seriously went off the rails...to those who criticized those who try their very best to help us all restore these beautiful watches...my question to you all....Why...if u do not like what they have done...ok...that is your opinion...u are entitled to that...but you are wrong...these great men and women do what they can to help us all and we should thank them for sharing their hard work with us....i personally know how hard this is and what skill level it takes...no many can do work at this level...to those who criticize others...before you write any more letter...remember this...it is easy to throw stones...but someday you too will be the ones receiving them...and those who criticized grammar and punctuation...really on here...grow up...we all are poor at best....i know i am...this forum and others should never be used as a sword....it should be used as a tool to help others and share knowledge and friendships...if you think.i am wrong....so be it...anyone who gets so upset due to posts on here...life is way too short for all that....i want to personally thank all the great watchmakers who have helped so many of us...please do not let people get u upset or discouraged.....we all appreciate you more than u know....God Bless,John

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i agree with you completely. and i would like to apologize for
the de-evolution of this thread, it's my fault, i just don't
like being bullied by people that don't know the first thing about
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commenting in a forum like this. you know, there are people
who are seriously challenged by putting their thoughts on
a page, when i run into their writing, i make every effort
to understand what they're writing....

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Old 03-25-2019, 06:22 PM   #52 (permalink)
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I really think you guys have got the wrong end of the stick ref this thread.
Ive had work done by Guy, Duncan and James Hayman, all the work has been sympathetic to the watch in its current condition, and its all been first class work.
Im pretty sure that Dave is referring to something like a clapped out 7002 with a scratched up dial which has been relumed to glow like Fukashima reactor no3, and has a battered case that's been polished to death, but still has all the dents left in it. Its old and worn and someone has tried to make it look new.

As for the punctuation/english grammer side show, that was a case of, pull the pin out, toss it in, and see what happens. Some trolls are sneaky.
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I really think you guys have got the wrong end of the stick ref this thread.
Ive had work done by Guy, Duncan and James Hayman, all the work has been sympathetic to the watch in its current condition, and its all been first class work.
Im pretty sure that Dave is referring to something like a clapped out 7002 with a scratched up dial which has been relumed to glow like Fukashima reactor no3, and has a battered case that's been polished to death, but still has all the dents left in it. Its old and worn and someone has tried to make it look new.

As for the punctuation/english grammer side show, that was a case of, pull the pin out, toss it in, and see what happens. Some trolls are sneaky.

well, just don't get too angry with the trolls, you know
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I can't help but feel a little slighted here. Bringing otherwise junk back to life via restoring the entire watch is what I enjoy, and most of my work looks good. Anyone with deep pockets can just buy what they want and show it off. Kudos to you, you have money. But how many have the several skill sets needed to completely disassemble, repair, manufacture parts and even specialized tools to make a trashed watch presentable again? It's a lot of very tedious work and not easy at all.
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I can't help but feel a little slighted here. Bringing otherwise junk back to life via restoring the entire watch is what I enjoy, and most of my work looks good. Anyone with deep pockets can just buy what they want and show it off. Kudos to you, you have money. But how many have the several skill sets needed to completely disassemble, repair, manufacture parts and even specialized tools to make a trashed watch presentable again? It's a lot of very tedious work and not easy at all.

You have no need to feel slighted. What you and many others here do is like magic to most. If nothing else, you should get a great deal of enjoyment and satisfaction out of every single victim you restore to good health.


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I can't help but feel a little slighted here. Bringing otherwise junk back to life via restoring the entire watch is what I enjoy, and most of my work looks good. Anyone with deep pockets can just buy what they want and show it off. Kudos to you, you have money. But how many have the several skill sets needed to completely disassemble, repair, manufacture parts and even specialized tools to make a trashed watch presentable again? It's a lot of very tedious work and not easy at all.
Well very well said my friend....most of us are not independently wealthy and get the best example and repair it best we can...and that hurts when others attack that...God Bless,John
I agree that poor work is poor work...and poor parts are poor parts...but when.u make something better...i am.always impressed

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And Trolls who say stupid things just should be ignored...they are just looking to stir the pot...i truly pity them...life must be very very sad for them...God Bless,John
I know they do not affect me any longer...

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I like nice shiny new looking watches. Perhaps, because I am a girl, I pay close attention to the fashion statement my watches make. I like them to look good. So for me, if I find a nice vintage piece I like, that has been restored to look almost new again, I will buy it. Aftermarket dials, markers, hands, etc. don’t bother me at all, as they look identical to the originals. I have 2 or 3 such Seikos, and I love the way they look on my wrist. Today’s wrist shot is a perfect example of what I am talking about. I know it drives some purists here crazy, that I go this route, but that is their problem, as far as I am concerned. This is a very enjoyable hobby for me, and I choose to pursue it my way....

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Very Well said Kat...thank you for thst......see these beautiful watches people love no matter if they are all genuine parts or not...the real beauty is from what they are...God Bless,John

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Sorry but a purist is not someone who is anti-fake. Or someone who likes their watches to be original. A purist is someone who strictly adheres to tradition or structure. A purist might have an issue with the way Seiko is marketing themselves compared to what brought them their notoriety originally, for instance.

And to suggest that a fake dial looks identical to an original is nothing to do with liking Seiko and pretty ignorant, and imo is basically condoning fakery. It may aswell be any watch and any fake. Nothing to do with enthusiastic passion for a watch brand and their history I'm afraid. And to say that is a purist view is missing the point and pretty dismissive of this forum and everything it stands for imo. Ffs I mean can you be any more incognisant! Buying fake stuff and being nonchalant about it on a dedicated enthusiasts' forum is absurd.

Sorry.. I feel pretty strongly about this. A fake watch is not something to be proud about. At least have some respect for those that do see it as an issue. Instead of stating "that is their problem". :

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i think something is amiss today, perhaps it's astrological.
is mercury retrograde AGAIN !?! oh, ****, i used caps

isn't it weird and funny, though, how this tiny little cul-de-sac
of seiko lovers could be at each others' throats over loving seikos
differently than they themselves do?

sort of reminds me of academia....

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i think something is amiss today, perhaps it's astrological.
is mercury retrograde AGAIN !?! oh, ***k, i used caps
Foul language is uncalled for, I've edited accordingly.
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Loving fake dials and not caring is nothing to do with loving Seiko. Right.. screw this..I'm done. I have to move out and end things here for the time being. Absolutely can't believe this thread.

A dedicated seiko forum that has become infiltrated by people who couldn't give a crap about whether a watch is actually a seiko. To others slamming anyone who so much as puts too much work into a watch to restore it...
Literally going mental.

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Foul language is uncalled for, I've edited accordingly.
thank you, and i'm sorry, it didn't know it was forbidden,
but now i do. and, i understand why.

it's been a weird and heated day. thanks for your good humor....
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Sorry but a purist is not someone who is anti-fake. Or someone who likes their watches to be original. A purist is someone who strictly adheres to tradition or structure. A purist might have an issue with the way Seiko is marketing themselves compared to what brought them their notoriety originally, for instance.

And to suggest that a fake dial looks identical to an original is nothing to do with liking Seiko and pretty ignorant, and imo is basically condoning fakery. It may aswell be any watch and any fake. Nothing to do with enthusiastic passion for a watch brand and their history I'm afraid. And to say that is a purist view is missing the point and pretty dismissive of this forum and everything it stands for imo. Ffs I mean can you be any more incognisant! Buying fake stuff and being nonchalant about it on a dedicated enthusiasts' forum is absurd.

Sorry.. I feel pretty strongly about this. A fake watch is not something to be proud about. At least have some respect for those that do see it as an issue. Instead of stating "that is their problem". :


Your response proves my point. You obviously have a problem with people who think about watches differently than you do. To call me dismissive of this forum is quite absurd. I am anything but...I am an avid enthusiast and collector, and believe I add value to this group. Perhaps your real issue is with my gender? I am well aware that it is unusual for a woman to share this passion. It seems to me that you are an intolerant man. I think everyone’s point of view has merit, but there is no excuse for downright rudeness. Chill out.

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Its getting too personal now, time to close the thread
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As friends and enthusiasts we should be able to appreciate each members way of collecting.

I want a vintage watch i own to look as good as possible on my wrist and will use NOS parts wherever need if they are available, 10000% no after market parts or case refinishing though for my own stuff.

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