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Old 03-19-2019, 07:22 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Here's an interesting comparison, I think. Now let's not get bogged down with what is and isn't really a Pogue (other fora can do that ), but what I have here are two yellow RESIST 6139-6002s, which are as near as dammit Pogues unless one continues to split hairs about whether they should say CHRONOGRAPH on the dial or not.

The one on the left has just come back to me from @Sir Alan, having been picked up at a watch fair only a little over a week ago (splendid service, Simon!) and it's looking really nice.

What I find interesting is the contrast between the dials:

The one on the left...
  • 6030R dial (there is a dash before the 6030 obscured by the chrono hand)
  • ever so slightly faded yellow chapter ring
  • French day wheel
  • 6139B movement
  • Dates from February 1972

The one on the right...
  • 6030T dial - how much more flat does it look, especially the subdial...?
  • chapter ring matches the dial - I wonder if it's original. The blob on the 12 o'clock mark looks like it's been relumed, as have the dial lume plots (probably)..
  • French day wheel
  • 6139A movement - I'd have thought the chrono hand would still be 2-piece if using an -A movement but I dunno... maybe it is original, or could have been replaced when the relume was done...
  • Dates from March 1971

Now to find a proper bracelet for the 1972 watch

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My “True Pogue” 6139-6005
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Yes I agree your beautiful 2 specimens above are outfitted correctly.

6139A for the March 1971
6139B for Feb. 1972

R vs T dials always a fun comparison

Congrats !
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Yeah, once again the "R" dial is darker.

HOWEVER - The rotating ring is way more bleached than the one on the "T" Pogue, so this strengthens the contrast to the dial and makes the dial look darker compared to the ring.

Both are lovely specimens.
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Yeah, once again the "R" dial is darker.

HOWEVER - The rotating ring is way more bleached than the one on the "T" Pogue, so this strengthens the contrast to the dial and makes the dial look darker compared to the ring.

Both are lovely specimens.
Thanks - it's funny what light can do (these photos were taken on a window sill):



and here's a final comparison of the Mar 71 watch, with a Oct 69 (Left) and June 70 (Middle) …

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A selection of very nice Pogue's Ewan, and good to see a comparison thread showing the difference between 'R' and 'T' dials. I confess to being a Pogue addict. I just like them and all the slight variants of the breed. Most of the Pogue's I have are 'T' dials, which I prefer over the 'R' dial... also, most fake dials seem to be 'R' dial.
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Great looking collection especially the triplets
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and here's a final comparison of the March 72 watch, with a Oct 69 (Left) and June 70 (Middle) …


Spectacular !
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Thanks - it's funny what light can do (these photos were taken on a window sill):



and here's a final comparison of the March 72 watch, with a Oct 69 (Left) and June 70 (Middle) …

man, ewan, just when i'm about to dump them all because i thought i was going to go in a different direction, literally, i see a post like this...hahaha! i still have not recovered the two perfect yellows i lost to the thieves and was going to throw in the towel. maybe, i'll hold off for a day or two.

on a cooler note, that crystal i picked up from you is back in the UK at duncan's awaiting its use on a watch he's going to service shortly =)

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WoW!... Beauties... All Three of Them. Amazing!!!
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Where's old mate Bubbleboy? He would know best. Maybe they are from 1961 and 1962 and are East Cameroon Special forces pieces?
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Oh man I too am a Pogue addict. These are fantastic. I have two late model ones (a blue and gold) and it’s interesting how Seiko changed the dial color ever so slightly. The blue-green (1978) is an “R” and the gold (1977) is a “T”.

Not sure of the variations in the later years.



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man, ewan, just when i'm about to dump them all because i thought i was going to go in a different direction, literally, i see a post like this...hahaha! i still have not recovered the two perfect yellows i lost to the thieves and was going to throw in the towel. maybe, i'll hold off for a day or two.

on a cooler note, that crystal i picked up from you is back in the UK at duncan's awaiting its use on a watch he's going to service shortly =)

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Unless you have a nice yellow Proof then let me know ;-)

Glad to hear you're going to make use of that Type 1 - it's been racking up the air miles!

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Oh man I too am a Pogue addict. These are fantastic. I have two late model ones (a blue and gold) and it’s interesting how Seiko changed the dial color ever so slightly. The blue-green (1978) is an “R” and the gold (1977) is a “T”.

Not sure of the variations in the later years.



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Yeah, I'm not sure of when (or why??) the R vs T cutover was. I could imagine they started with the relatively flat T and decided to jazz it up a bit with the R dials, but it doesn't explain why they might continue to produce T dials as late in the cycle - or even, for yellow dials, why they would have 6030T that date to after dropping the "70m RESIST".

Maybe they sold different dials styles in different markets at the same time?
What I find interesting about the pair of RESISTs above is that they're both French day wheel, so I'd expect that means sometime between the two, there was a cut-over when they moved from T to R... but perhaps in other geos, the T might have stayed around longer.
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