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Old 02-28-2019, 06:10 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Thumbs down Fake 6139 Sunrise?

I wasn't aware of any aftermarket 6139 "Sunrise" dials but it looks like they're out there:


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The chrono hands are aftermarket. The case back isn't correct and the bracelet is wrong. The Speedtimer text is too close to the 9 o'clock marker lume.






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Old 02-28-2019, 06:15 PM   #2 (permalink)
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thanks for posting Tom.

They'll only get better at these replicas.

Something I've been wondering: what will be the attitudes about these AM watches 50 yrs from now when they are old and used? Like "time heals all wounds", time changes opinions as well ....
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I wonder who's producing and selling all these "good" after market parts ?
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I wonder who's producing and selling all these "good" after market parts ?

I'll give you 3 guesses who'll have them shortly.........
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This is clearly a fake... eBay is knee deep in fake Seikos. Fake 6139 dials are turning up everywhere, usually described as ‘dial is in good used condition’. Sellers very rarely state the dial is new, fake, replaced, or aftermarket. - Know what you’re buying. Research is everything.
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hahahaha...I was just going to post the query! it has a lot of the proper attributes, but close is only good in horse shoes and hand grenades!


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This is clearly a fake... eBay is knee deep in fake Seikos. Fake 6139 dials are turning up everywhere, usually described as ‘dial is in good used condition’. Sellers very rarely state the dial is new, fake, replaced, or aftermarket. - Know what you’re buying. Research is everything.

Ya never know Jim, It could be the Missing Link from 67'...
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So what's really disturbing is the ebay auction description. All claims of originality and completely devoid of mention of the fact that probably EVERY part I can see is aftermarket !


Dial, hands, inner ring (not 100% sure but pretty sure), tachy insert and bracelet. I also think the case back looks totally suspect, like "you know who's" faked Feb. 1969 6139-6000 case backs. And the dummies didn't even use the proper 2 months (possibly a third) of production while they were at it.


Anyway I don't want to participate in Round 2 with 'that knucklehead' but this is clearly the start of the Pogue fakes going viral.
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And, as Aaron pointed out, the original dials had the 9 o'clock marker shortened in order for the Speedtimer text to fit properly. You can also notice no Lineal markings on the dial like on the original.


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Research is everything.

You guys are so good at spotting fake
Parts on 6139s 6xxxx. I still can’t spot it even when i research.

Is there a good write up comparison of what to look for? I am always skeptical to bid.

On that note, do you ever have a feeling you are bidding against the same person. When I don’t bid it stays at that price at close. When i do i always goes at average price of others. I always wonder if the Seiko forum guys are my competition.




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One of these just popped up on Gumtree in Australia. Definitely a fake dial and not worth $1000AUD.



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That bezel insert looks fake too. The 250, 220, 200 markers don't go to the inside edge
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funny thing is I have never seen these fake Sunrise dials for sale. Maybe there's some sort of dark web for counterfeit watch parts haha
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I contacted the seller to see how he would respond - barely coherently.
I'm not sure I buy it, as his listing was well written.



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I contacted the seller to see how he would respond - barely coherently.
I'm not sure I buy it, as his listing was well written.



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The seller has to be right, everything you read on the internet is true !
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Here’s my original December 72 Sunrise for comparison.


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One of these just popped up on Gumtree in Australia. Definitely a fake dial and not worth $1000AUD.

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Would appear then that the fakers have shortened the 9 'o clock marker on this one, if indeed it is a fake
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In my book every legitimate Sunrise Teal 6139-6002 is dated either 2N or 2D - November or December 1972.

Yours continues to show this to hold true.

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The seller has to be right, everything you read on the internet is true !

You beat me to it !
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