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SeikoPsycho2 · 02-28-2019, 06:10 PM

I wasn't aware of any aftermarket 6139 "Sunrise" dials but it looks like they're out there:

273735064307

The chrono hands are aftermarket. The case back isn't correct and the bracelet is wrong. The Speedtimer text is too close to the 9 o'clock marker lume.

Thoughts?

mwadner · 02-28-2019, 06:15 PM

thanks for posting Tom.

They'll only get better at these replicas.

Something I've been wondering: what will be the attitudes about these AM watches 50 yrs from now when they are old and used? Like "time heals all wounds", time changes opinions as well ....

**TheTigerUK** · 02-28-2019, 06:22 PM

I wonder who's producing and selling all these "good" after market parts ?

SeikoPsycho2 · 02-28-2019, 06:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheTigerUK

I wonder who's producing and selling all these "good" after market parts ?

I'll give you 3 guesses who'll have them shortly.........

Jim W · 02-28-2019, 06:43 PM

This is clearly a fake... eBay is knee deep in fake Seikos. Fake 6139 dials are turning up everywhere, usually described as ‘dial is in good used condition’. Sellers very rarely state the dial is new, fake, replaced, or aftermarket. - Know what you’re buying. Research is everything.

Thesharkman · 02-28-2019, 07:14 PM

hahahaha...I was just going to post the query! it has a lot of the proper attributes, but close is only good in horse shoes and hand grenades!

<* shark >>><

SeikoPsycho2 · 02-28-2019, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim W

This is clearly a fake... eBay is knee deep in fake Seikos. Fake 6139 dials are turning up everywhere, usually described as ‘dial is in good used condition’. Sellers very rarely state the dial is new, fake, replaced, or aftermarket. - Know what you’re buying. Research is everything.

Ya never know Jim, It could be the Missing Link from 67'...

Grammarofdesign · 02-28-2019, 08:10 PM

So what's really disturbing is the ebay auction description. All claims of originality and completely devoid of mention of the fact that probably EVERY part I can see is aftermarket !

Dial, hands, inner ring (not 100% sure but pretty sure), tachy insert and bracelet. I also think the case back looks totally suspect, like "you know who's" faked Feb. 1969 6139-6000 case backs. And the dummies didn't even use the proper 2 months (possibly a third) of production while they were at it.

Anyway I don't want to participate in Round 2 with 'that knucklehead' but this is clearly the start of the Pogue fakes going viral.

SeikoPsycho2 · 02-28-2019, 08:29 PM

And, as Aaron pointed out, the original dials had the 9 o'clock marker shortened in order for the Speedtimer text to fit properly. You can also notice no Lineal markings on the dial like on the original.

AJ's photo of the Real Deal:

Back2beach · 02-28-2019, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jim W

Research is everything.

You guys are so good at spotting fake
Parts on 6139s 6xxxx. I still can’t spot it even when i research.

Is there a good write up comparison of what to look for? I am always skeptical to bid.

On that note, do you ever have a feeling you are bidding against the same person. When I don’t bid it stays at that price at close. When i do i always goes at average price of others. I always wonder if the Seiko forum guys are my competition.

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tritto · 11-01-2019, 06:03 AM

One of these just popped up on Gumtree in Australia. Definitely a fake dial and not worth $1000AUD.

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zeke441 · 11-01-2019, 06:25 AM

That bezel insert looks fake too. The 250, 220, 200 markers don't go to the inside edge

Grammarofdesign · 11-01-2019, 07:09 PM

funny thing is I have never seen these fake Sunrise dials for sale. Maybe there's some sort of dark web for counterfeit watch parts haha

tritto · 11-01-2019, 08:49 PM

I contacted the seller to see how he would respond - barely coherently.
I'm not sure I buy it, as his listing was well written.

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zeke441 · 11-01-2019, 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tritto

I contacted the seller to see how he would respond - barely coherently.
I'm not sure I buy it, as his listing was well written.

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He lied

Grammarofdesign · 11-01-2019, 10:35 PM

The seller has to be right, everything you read on the internet is true !

mikeobrien · 11-02-2019, 02:35 AM

Here’s my original December 72 Sunrise for comparison.

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Reflex · 11-02-2019, 05:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tritto

One of these just popped up on Gumtree in Australia. Definitely a fake dial and not worth $1000AUD.

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Would appear then that the fakers have shortened the 9 'o clock marker on this one, if indeed it is a fake

Grammarofdesign · 11-02-2019, 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mikeobrien

Here’s my original December 72 Sunrise for comparison.

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In my book every legitimate Sunrise Teal 6139-6002 is dated either 2N or 2D - November or December 1972.

Yours continues to show this to hold true.

She's a beauty - congrats !

850champion · 11-02-2019, 06:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grammarofdesign

The seller has to be right, everything you read on the internet is true !

You beat me to it !

02-28-2019, 06:10 PM	#1 (permalink)
SeikoPsycho2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NE PA Posts: 3,394 Points: 121 (+)	Fake 6139 Sunrise? I wasn't aware of any aftermarket 6139 "Sunrise" dials but it looks like they're out there: 273735064307 The chrono hands are aftermarket. The case back isn't correct and the bracelet is wrong. The Speedtimer text is too close to the 9 o'clock marker lume. Thoughts? __________________ Too Many Watches - Not Enough Time... The Comprehensive 6139-600X Variations Review https://www.thewatchsite.com/15-vint...ns-review.html The 330W18GN 6139-60XX Comprehensive Crystal Review https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...al-review.html Gracefully Delivered from Delusions.......... It's not about Religion, It's about a Relationship........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcsMZRXqCc

02-28-2019, 06:15 PM	#2 (permalink)
mwadner Senior Member Join Date: May 2012 Location: Metro Seattle Posts: 7,747 Points: 413 (+)	thanks for posting Tom. They'll only get better at these replicas. Something I've been wondering: what will be the attitudes about these AM watches 50 yrs from now when they are old and used? Like "time heals all wounds", time changes opinions as well .... __________________ Salvation will not come from the rushing centers of civilization, deliverance will come from the lonely places - Fridtjof Wedel-Jarlsberg Nansen

02-28-2019, 06:22 PM	#3 (permalink)
TheTigerUK Moderator Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: UK Posts: 27,890 Points: 616 (+)	I wonder who's producing and selling all these "good" after market parts ? __________________ www.TheTigerUK.com It's nothing to do with what you need it's what you want !!

02-28-2019, 08:29 PM	#9 (permalink)
SeikoPsycho2 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: NE PA Posts: 3,394 Points: 121 (+)	And, as Aaron pointed out, the original dials had the 9 o'clock marker shortened in order for the Speedtimer text to fit properly. You can also notice no Lineal markings on the dial like on the original. AJ's photo of the Real Deal: __________________ Too Many Watches - Not Enough Time... The Comprehensive 6139-600X Variations Review https://www.thewatchsite.com/15-vint...ns-review.html The 330W18GN 6139-60XX Comprehensive Crystal Review https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...al-review.html Gracefully Delivered from Delusions.......... It's not about Religion, It's about a Relationship........ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EjcsMZRXqCc Last edited by SeikoPsycho2; 02-28-2019 at 08:32 PM.

11-01-2019, 06:25 AM	#12 (permalink)
zeke441 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2017 Location: Tennessee USA Posts: 4,248 Points: 383 (+)	That bezel insert looks fake too. The 250, 220, 200 markers don't go to the inside edge __________________ "A man that wears a watch shows that being on time is important" Pops - 1979 when he gave me my 1st real watch. Seiko Saviors

02-28-2019, 06:43 PM	#5 (permalink)
Jim W Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2014 Location: Hampshire. UK Posts: 2,739 Points: 108 (+)	This is clearly a fake... eBay is knee deep in fake Seikos. Fake 6139 dials are turning up everywhere, usually described as ‘dial is in good used condition’. Sellers very rarely state the dial is new, fake, replaced, or aftermarket. - Know what you’re buying. Research is everything.

02-28-2019, 07:14 PM	#6 (permalink)
Thesharkman Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: city by the bay Posts: 1,538 Points: 44 (+)	hahahaha...I was just going to post the query! it has a lot of the proper attributes, but close is only good in horse shoes and hand grenades! <* shark >>><

02-28-2019, 08:10 PM	#8 (permalink)
Grammarofdesign Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: US of A Posts: 4,985 Points: 269 (+)	So what's really disturbing is the ebay auction description. All claims of originality and completely devoid of mention of the fact that probably EVERY part I can see is aftermarket ! Dial, hands, inner ring (not 100% sure but pretty sure), tachy insert and bracelet. I also think the case back looks totally suspect, like "you know who's" faked Feb. 1969 6139-6000 case backs. And the dummies didn't even use the proper 2 months (possibly a third) of production while they were at it. Anyway I don't want to participate in Round 2 with 'that knucklehead' but this is clearly the start of the Pogue fakes going viral.

11-01-2019, 06:03 AM	#11 (permalink)
tritto Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 1,766 Points: 60 (+)	One of these just popped up on Gumtree in Australia. Definitely a fake dial and not worth $1000AUD. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-01-2019, 07:09 PM	#13 (permalink)
Grammarofdesign Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: US of A Posts: 4,985 Points: 269 (+)	funny thing is I have never seen these fake Sunrise dials for sale. Maybe there's some sort of dark web for counterfeit watch parts haha

11-01-2019, 08:49 PM	#14 (permalink)
tritto Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2014 Location: Tasmania, Australia Posts: 1,766 Points: 60 (+)	I contacted the seller to see how he would respond - barely coherently. I'm not sure I buy it, as his listing was well written. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

11-01-2019, 10:35 PM	#16 (permalink)
Grammarofdesign Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: US of A Posts: 4,985 Points: 269 (+)	The seller has to be right, everything you read on the internet is true !

11-02-2019, 02:35 AM	#17 (permalink)
mikeobrien Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2015 Location: Port Douglas, Queensland Australia Posts: 102 Points: 9 (+)	Here’s my original December 72 Sunrise for comparison. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk __________________ Kind Regards, Mike

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