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Old 02-27-2019, 09:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I love the Alpinist models, but honestly, am not a fan of the more recent versions (had one, dumped it). With all the hubbub about the recently released "all blue" version my dislike is renewed (apologies new-Alpinist fans). In part, it's because the Alpinist from the last few years seem to share none of the design language from the first 3+ version of the Alpinist. They may be awesome, but to me, they are not in the same style even as the original version of the Alpinist. As evidence, I submit pics from this (great) article on the history of the model (https://thespringbar.com/blogs/guide...llectors-guide)

The original (Gen 1):

Gen 2a:

Gen 2b:

Gen 3:

And then the new ones, which (to me) share very little with the origins of the model. The new models have 1)rotating bezels, 2) date complication, 3) two crowns (for the inner bezel) and 4) numerals on the dial. Features that for the most part, none of the earlier Alpinists had (there was a 24 hour version of the 2nd Gen, but even then the numerals were small and insert on the dial, not on the perimeter:




Don't mistake, I'm not saying the recent (and newly released) Alpinist aren't cool watches, but the rotating bezel, the 'Mercedes' hands, and a variety of other things just seem to share no design language with the origins of the model, and therefore seem like a 'new' model that has rented the Alpinist name, rather than owned it.

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I never warmed up to the SARB alpinist either, but I dig the SBCJ ones.
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Old 02-27-2019, 10:16 PM   #3 (permalink)
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I couldn't agree more. It's the only modern Seiko like with a cult-like fanbase that I have absolutely no interest in. I've owned several I won at "an offer you can't refuse" prices, and always immediately sold them. I think the design is busy, chunky, and generally imbalanced. I know I'm in the small minority...
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Yes, the green SARB017 was/is quite a distinctive watch, though very different to the earlier generations. I prefer the old stuff as well, though they are getting even more expensive (they have never been particularly inexpensive, even 10 years ago). Here's a variation on your 2a.
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I agree as well. I purchased a sarb017 last year right after hearing the news of it being discontinued, but I just didn't like it. Sold it a week later.
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I guess the sarb033 and sarb035 are not really considered alpinist but they are very close to the original ones. If they had some more lume they would be even closer. Not my photo but...
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i sort of half-agree and half disagree, because i think the rotating compass
bezel makes it a more serviceable watch, and i spend a lot of time in the woods,
and i bought an alpinist to have a watch that was made for that activity, and i
just never felt like i was the right kind of fusty old gentleman to wear such a
a watch, even though i'm 60.

i'd love to see one of the first generations re-made with an internal bezel,
but i'm not holding my breath, and i can find due south with any old watch
dial, anyway, so maybe there was never much of a point to it...the ubiquitous
green and gold alpinists always looked to me as if they were designed for hobbits
or leprechauns.....
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The new models don't compare to the originals but my interest in the Alpinist isn't based on the original design, although I'd love to find a couple of nice originals. My interest is in the fact that I like the new design. Especially without the gold markers + hands.
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<Cue someone cooking crow for consumption>

So, after seeing all the hubbub about the Blue Alpinist (which I'm on record as not being impressed with in pictures) I bought one of these off the secondary market, confident that if I didn't like it, I could flip it easily.

Whelp, I have crow to eat, because this thing is beautiful:



As stated, I never liked my green Alpinist, relative to my vintage ones, and passed it on to my son. This one WILL NOT be passed on while I'm actively wearing watches.

The silver accents and the blue work extremely well together, and the dial is such a shape shifter. The hour markers (and applied Seiko) have a brilliance that the gold accents on the green (and other) versions never had for me. One second it looks almost black, then it's a flat blue, then it's a sunburst brilliant blue and just magnificent.

It's hard to admit you were judgmental, but this is one to behold in person, preferably under varying lighting conditions. The strap is also very nice, and I say that as a nearly bracelet-only guy.

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Nothing wrong with the unpopular opinion! I would submit,however, the black dial 4s15 version does have nods to the gen 1 and 2 with the triangular markers and rays emitting from the center to the hours. Also dig the dial on this contemporaneous 4s15 diver, someone had been going through the Alpinist archives!
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<Cue someone cooking crow for consumption>

So, after seeing all the hubbub about the Blue Alpinist (which I'm on record as not being impressed with in pictures) I bought one of these off the secondary market, confident that if I didn't like it, I could flip it easily.

Whelp, I have crow to eat, because this thing is beautiful:



As stated, I never liked my green Alpinist, relative to my vintage ones, and passed it on to my son. This one WILL NOT be passed on while I'm actively wearing watches.

The silver accents and the blue work extremely well together, and the dial is such a shape shifter. The hour markers (and applied Seiko) have a brilliance that the gold accents on the green (and other) versions never had for me. One second it looks almost black, then it's a flat blue, then it's a sunburst brilliant blue and just magnificent.

It's hard to admit you were judgmental, but this is one to behold in person, preferably under varying lighting conditions. The strap is also very nice, and I say that as a nearly bracelet-only guy.

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