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Wearing it today...

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Sorry folks; in spite of all the fluff that has been posted; I am not buying the premise that this is a Seiko made watch.
My original assertions ... that there is no dial text below the 6 o'clock position and that there are no Seiko markings on the case back, point to a knockoff/up.
Also, the 'N/S' on the crown is classically bad, as in counterfeit style.

Please don't get me wrong; I'm not dissing any of you who have bought this watch; just that there are some very strong red flags.
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macgyverandpetes2000 (who generally charge top dollar) have one on eBay for $599.
Why do you say that? He has no such Watch AT ALL. no even in his sold listing......
The ONLY Watch of this Seiko Nasa Spinoff Model on Ebay are these and these.
Both were sold for over 1000$ !!!

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Sorry folks; in spite of all the fluff that has been posted; I am not buying the premise that this is a Seiko made watch.
My original assertions ... that there is no dial text below the 6 o'clock position and that there are no Seiko markings on the case back, point to a knockoff/up.
Also, the 'N/S' on the crown is classically bad, as in counterfeit style.
Please don't get me wrong; I'm not dissing any of you who have bought this watch; just that there are some very strong red flags.
I feel like you just ignored everything we said. No Seiko Markings on the back? we just showed you that! I advice you what, just go check out the links provided and research the Japanese pages yourself. then speak.
I live here and I know how strict Japanese are about knockoffs. specially if there were a copy on such a big scale of their own Company???? They won't even let it inside the country!!! that's why you can almost always be certain that you won't buy knockoffs here. not specially a Japanese brand knockoff.

And I just explained to you why the big Seiko logo was not there. did you even read my post ? There is an answer for each one of your supposed red flags.
I have contacted Seiko here. so lets see what they say.
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GUYS!!! GREAT NEWS !!!
A Representative from SEIKO JUST ANSWERED!!
THIS WATCH IS GENUINE !!!!!!!!
argh. I feel so good now. now all the debates about this watch being a knockoff should stop.

Here is what they said :

English Translation :

I have read the WEB online inquiry dated October 23rd.
Thank you for your interest in our products.

The watch you inquired about,
It was manufactured in 2000 by Seiko Instruments Inc.,
a group company of our company, commissioned by Otoboke Co., Ltd.
Please note that after-sales service has already been over now.
Thank you for your attention.


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Original Japanese text for you to translate yourself :

10月23日付けWEBオンラインお問合せを拝見致しました。
弊社製品にご関心をお寄せいただきありがとうございます。

お問合せいただきました時計は、
弊社グループ会社のセイコーインスツル㈱が株式会社おとぼけ の委託を受けて2000年にOEM製造したものです。
既にアフターサービスの受付けは終了しているとのことですので、
その旨ご留意いただきますようお願い申し上げます。

以上、簡単ではございますがご案内申し上げます。

Now who says this is Chinese knockoff or has red flags ???

By the way, the "Otoboke Co., Ltd." which they mentioned Is the SAME Store in Ginza which I was talking about.
that the owner had a vision to make Watches from Space Shuttle surface parts and went to USA
to talk to NASA headquarters and they finally made it with the help of Richard F. Gordon and Space Age America Inc,
and Seiko manufactured it.

isn't these all fascinating? and you all didn't really believe me....

Also as I said before, I think it's Unfair that Japan has done so many amazing things which sometimes gets buried under lack of English information or just... modesty

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GUYS!!! GREAT NEWS !!!
A Representative from SEIKO JUST ANSWERED!!
THIS WATCH IS GENUINE !!!!!!!!
argh. I feel so good now. now all the debates about this watch being a knockoff should stop.

Here is what they said :

English Translation :

I have read the WEB online inquiry dated October 23rd.
Thank you for your interest in our products.

The watch you inquired about,
It was manufactured in 2000 by Seiko Instruments Inc.,
a group company of our company, commissioned by Otoboke Co., Ltd.
Please note that after-sales service has already been over now.
Thank you for your attention.


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Original Japanese text for you to translate yourself :

10月23日付けWEBオンラインお問合せを拝見致しました。
弊社製品にご関心をお寄せいただきありがとうございます。

お問合せいただきました時計は、
弊社グループ会社のセイコーインスツル㈱が株式会社おとぼけ の委託を受けて2000年にOEM製造したものです。
既にアフターサービスの受付けは終了しているとのことですので、
その旨ご留意いただきますようお願い申し上げます。

以上、簡単ではございますがご案内申し上げます。

Now who says this is Chinese knockoff or has red flags ???

By the way, the "Otoboke Co., Ltd." which they mentioned Is the SAME Store in Ginza which I was talking about.
that the owner had a vision to make Watches from Space Shuttle surface parts and went to USA
to talk to NASA headquarters and they finally made it with the help of Richard F. Gordon and Space Age America Inc,
and Seiko manufactured it.

isn't these all fascinating? and you all didn't really believe me....

Also as I said before, I think it's Unfair that Japan has done so many amazing things which sometimes gets buried under lack of English information or just... modesty
Thanks for following this through.
Great job!

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Thanks for following this through.
Great job!

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Thank you too Jan for your support ^^
I'm sooo happy my hands are shaking! hahaha
Seriously this is amazing because almost no one on the whole Net Outside Japan thought if this is genuine or not.

Do you think now that we are sure it's genuine if I can present my watch here for sale? I saw some other people do that
oh and also to reply your last question, I bought it for near 500$ at a store in Japan. the original price was around 1600$ back in 2017 for a new one.
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Thank you too Jan for your support ^^

I'm sooo happy my hands are shaking! hahaha

Seriously this is amazing because almost no one on the whole Net Outside Japan thought if this is genuine or not.



Do you think now that we are sure it's genuine if I can present my watch here for sale? I saw some other people do that

oh and also to reply your last question, I bought it for near 500$ at a store in Japan. the original price was around 1600$ back in 2017 for a new one.
You certainly can.

The authentication documents can even be included in your FS listing.

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Thank you too Jan for your support ^^

I'm sooo happy my hands are shaking! hahaha

Seriously this is amazing because almost no one on the whole Net Outside Japan thought if this is genuine or not.



Do you think now that we are sure it's genuine if I can present my watch here for sale? I saw some other people do that

oh and also to reply your last question, I bought it for near 500$ at a store in Japan. the original price was around 1600$ back in 2017 for a new one.


This has been a very interesting thread. It may have been lost in the posts, but why are you selling it?


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This has been a very interesting thread. It may have been lost in the posts, but why are you selling it?


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thanks! I said before too but it's because it's too big for my hand (since it's also Men's watch).
so I can't really use it myself.
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You certainly can.

The authentication documents can even be included in your FS listing.

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Guys, I worked hard on a post to present my Seiko NASA watch for sale and I posted in SEIKO & CITIZEN TRADING POST section and it has been erased after 10 minutes without any notifications.
do you know why that happens? what should I do...
I checked the rules and the only rule I missed was putting the price in the title.
I am going to post again with that. but honestly. I wish we get a warning or sthn to edit it beforehand.
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Guys, I worked hard on a post to present my Seiko NASA watch for sale and I posted in SEIKO & CITIZEN TRADING POST section and it has been erased after 10 minutes without any notifications.

do you know why that happens? what should I do...

I checked the rules and the only rule I missed was putting the price in the title.

I am going to post again with that. but honestly. I wish we get a warning or sthn to edit it beforehand.
There's a proper syntax:

FS: (item for sale) - (price)

Did you follow that?

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There's a proper syntax:

FS: (item for sale) - (price)

Did you follow that?

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Oh. I guess that wasn't the only problem. the rules say For Selling you must have at least FIFTY (50) posts. lol. so I can't post anything yet for sale
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Oh. I guess that wasn't the only problem. the rules say For Selling you must have at least FIFTY (50) posts. lol. so I can't post anything yet for sale
Yes, you can't yet.
You need to participate and engage in the forums first.

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macgyverandpetes2000 (who generally charge top dollar) have one on eBay for $599.
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Why do you say that? He has no such Watch AT ALL. no even in his sold listing......
The ONLY Watch of this Seiko Nasa Spinoff Model on Ebay are these and these.
Both were sold for over 1000$ !!!
We are not supposed to post links to live eBay listings.
But FYI, it is item # 202805288278. The listing is still live.

The watch is a reverse panda same as yours and # 534 / 1000. It is NOS, listed as a Buy-it-Now for $599, like I said.

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I bought it for near 500$ at a store in Japan. the original price was around 1600$ back in 2017 for a new one.
The listing description includes all the references to SII, etc., and confirms the original list price:
RETAIL PRICE IN 2003 WAS $1600 US DOLLARS!!!!



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Oh. I guess that wasn't the only problem. the rules say For Selling you must have at least FIFTY (50) posts. lol. so I can't post anything yet for sale
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Yes, you can't yet. You need to participate and engage in the forums first.
There's also this Trading Post rule that you fell foul of:

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2. SEVEN DAY WAITING PERIOD if the watch or accessory you wish to sell or trade has been the subject of a post elsewhere on SCWF, with or without photos.

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There's also this Trading Post rule that you fell foul of:
No, I mean I saw that rule but this watch has been the Topic of this post for over a year now. so it doesn't count?
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It might be construed by some, that you joined the forum and bumped this old thread with the intention of promoting the sale of your watch.
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It might be construed by some, that you joined the forum and bumped this old thread with the intention of promoting the sale of your watch.
it totally might seem that way. I don't blame anyone who thinks so. In fact I wanted to sell it elsewhere so I started to research. then I saw this thread and people were debating that it was fake, and I wanted to share my info which I was excited about and thought it answers the questions...
thanks for your information, though.
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You need to have made 50 posts before you can offer an item for sale on the trade forum

https://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko...pate-sctp.html

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Guys, I worked hard on a post to present my Seiko NASA watch for sale and I posted in SEIKO & CITIZEN TRADING POST section and it has been erased after 10 minutes without any notifications.
do you know why that happens? what should I do...
I checked the rules and the only rule I missed was putting the price in the title.
I am going to post again with that. but honestly. I wish we get a warning or sthn to edit it beforehand.
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GUYS!!! GREAT NEWS !!!
A Representative from SEIKO JUST ANSWERED!!
THIS WATCH IS GENUINE !!!!!!!!
argh. I feel so good now. now all the debates about this watch being a knockoff should stop.

Here is what they said :

English Translation :

I have read the WEB online inquiry dated October 23rd.
Thank you for your interest in our products.

The watch you inquired about,
It was manufactured in 2000 by Seiko Instruments Inc.,
a group company of our company, commissioned by Otoboke Co., Ltd.
Please note that after-sales service has already been over now.
Thank you for your attention.


Their Email screenshot :



Original Japanese text for you to translate yourself :

10月23日付けWEBオンラインお問合せを拝見致しました。
弊社製品にご関心をお寄せいただきありがとうございます。

お問合せいただきました時計は、
弊社グループ会社のセイコーインスツル㈱が株式会社おとぼけ の委託を受けて2000年にOEM製造したものです。
既にアフターサービスの受付けは終了しているとのことですので、
その旨ご留意いただきますようお願い申し上げます。

以上、簡単ではございますがご案内申し上げます。

Now who says this is Chinese knockoff or has red flags ???

By the way, the "Otoboke Co., Ltd." which they mentioned Is the SAME Store in Ginza which I was talking about.
that the owner had a vision to make Watches from Space Shuttle surface parts and went to USA
to talk to NASA headquarters and they finally made it with the help of Richard F. Gordon and Space Age America Inc,
and Seiko manufactured it.

isn't these all fascinating? and you all didn't really believe me....

Also as I said before, I think it's Unfair that Japan has done so many amazing things which sometimes gets buried under lack of English information or just... modesty
Thanks for going the extra mile!
I stand completely corrected and a little embarrassed but am happy for your score
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Thanks for going the extra mile!
I stand completely corrected and a little embarrassed but am happy for your score
Haha! Thank you too! if it wasn't for your disbelief I wouldn't look it up too
I just went to the store which paid for building this watch on Weekend. They showed me the documents and the old man there talked with me for an hour... I couldn't take pics of the documents but other than those, all other info are already on that Japanese blog it the last page.

If anyone wanted one I am selling one on Ebay for a bargain... But honestly this watch is too good and detailed and beautiful to be that cheap just ask tro_jan
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But honestly this watch is too good and detailed and beautiful to be that cheap
The SII VD57 movement inside it is very low end - and cheap.


Having worked on one at the weekend (a later VD57B version, inside an over-sized Armani Exchange 'Tag Look-alike' chrono', belonging to a work colleague), I was certainly not impressed. I gave up trying to reset the chrono' hands.


A few posters ON WUS weren't too impressed either.

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These are a very low cost movement. And IMHO a very annoying one...If you timing something and want to reset it it has to unwind itself backwards to zero! So if it ran for say 15 minutes it would take like 3 minutes to go back to zero before you can time again!! Plus the center second hand is the main and the sub at 6 is the chrono seconds which is a horrible.

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Talking Before some wag points it out ...

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It wasn't because the pushers weren't connected (in that previous shot).


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Wink Think I'll stick to what I know best ....

With a better quality Seiko movement inside ....



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In case anybody's interested, I found another online review of these NASA SpinOff chrono's. It's in French, but Google translates it OK.

http://www.montrespourtous.org/viewt...hp?f=78&t=3371

Includes some nice quality photos of both versions, plus close-ups:

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