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Old 11-03-2018, 09:29 PM   #51 (permalink)
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I have recently discovered that Hunting in your own backyard is always the Best Place to Start
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Awesome group of 6105 Kyle, they all look very good, congratulations!

But I must admit, personally, I would have a hard time having more than a very good example.
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I have recently discovered that Hunting in your own backyard is always the Best Place to Start
Yes,... the storage of all the catch of previous hunts!
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Why is it that all projects inevitably turn out to be more difficult and time consuming than originally planned?

Selecting Straps to be used for the 6105s was supposed to be easy. I use certain straps for certain watches. Near NOS and Special watches get original ZLM01 Waffles or XGL731s (if I can find them) and Excellent to Mint Condition get early Will Jean V1 waffle straps with markings. I have a good supply of never used V1s that I bought a long time ago (at least 7 years ago) and I have been installing them sparingly over the years.

After taking out a batch of V1s I noticed something is wrong. They have turned from shiny black to grey and gooey looking. I could hardly move the keepers as they seemed glued to the straps. Only with force could I dislodge them. Something has happened to the straps and I don't exactly know what to do about it.






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Hope it's only a superficial issue...are they still pliant as new?

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Why is it that all projects inevitably turn out to be more difficult and time consuming than originally planned?

Selecting Straps to be used for the 6105s was supposed to be easy. I use certain straps for certain watches. Near NOS and Special watches get original ZLM01 Waffles or XGL731s (if I can find them) and Excellent to Mint Condition get early Will Jean V1 waffle straps with markings. I have a good supply of never used V1s that I bought a long time ago (at least 7 years ago) and I have been installing them sparingly over the years.

After taking out a batch of V1s I noticed something is wrong. They have turned from shiny black to grey and gooey looking. I could hardly move the keepers as they seemed glued to the straps. Only with force could I dislodge them. Something has happened to the straps and I don't exactly know what to do about it.





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Will Jeans V1 use a wonderful rubber compound although I don't know what type of rubber. Straps are still very soft and pliable and not dried out at all. I've gone through the 1st step of simply washing them with warm water and detergent. Still greying and gooey looking. They remind me of how the GL831 straps turn over time and perhaps the next step is to try a silicone treatment although I am hesitant to do that as I do not know how they will react.

Just goes to highlight how the original Seiko Diver Straps (ZLM01 Waffle, XGL731, and Chocolate Bar) have held up so well over time. The V1s are not very Old.
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Good they've retained their pliability, but the challenge is how to prevent further deterioration. Will Jeans would know the composition of the rubber used, and could give you some tips on the most effective way to care for these straps!
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Are they starting to perish?
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Are they starting to perish?

At first glance they indeed look to be disintegrating. Very worrisome!
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Impressive selection!
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Decided on a plan for the strap disorder. Hopefully I don't have a pile of faded and disintegrating pieces of worthless rubber. If all fails I guess I can always use the buckles.

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Late Edit: Please note that all the above straps are reproductions from Will Jean. The batch of V1s was purchased many years ago (I just don't remember how long ago). Will's V1 are long out of production and have not been available for many years. Will currently offers a Waffle with the same excellent rubber compound but only with unmarked buckles and No Seiko Japan markings on the Strap. The Chocolate Bar and XGL731 Tire Tread are also from Will and are more recent production and were in Excellent Condition and Ready to Use. I only coated them for added protection.

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Please let us know if you found a way to restore the straps to their pristine condition, or to at least prevent further deterioration.
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wow wow wow!! miss my6105
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Stunning bunch! I wonder if any of your pieces have polished indices and date windows as opposed the more widely seen matte finish?
I don't believe this line of thinking. The only reason these are matt at times is because the indices and date window have a film of what I think is the lume and binder, a very thin layer that clings to the surface of the plating.


Just seen this thread Kyle and what a great bunch of watches. Makes you realise there are plenty of these about hey! Just that you and Jim have em all....
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Please let me be the first person to welcome you back. I hope your move went smoothly and you are settled in. Your absence makes all my watch projects boring.

Wishing you fun and happiness and lots of successful watch restorations in your new home.

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I believe you are mistaken. I was referring to the polished vs matte indices as referenced in the thread here: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...8110-dial.html

BigBlueKyle, do any of your pieces have the polished indices?

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One of the many reasons I like this forum is the differing opinions. I thoroughly enjoy respectful disagreements as they often drive a subject to more clarification and further discovery. I will be getting back to this thread as quickly as possible.
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I believe you are mistaken. I was referring to the polished vs matte indices as referenced in the thread here: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japa...8110-dial.html

BigBlueKyle, do any of your pieces have the polished indices?
To which I contributed!

But after Adrian at VTA and a few others, including myself, have spent time reluming these dials you soon realise this stuff fairly easily peels off as if it was a powdery lume substance to leave a nice shiny plated finish. Using a piece of pegwood will show you what I mean.

That said would I do it to mine to see the black mirror finish? No... but...am I worried that this layer is responsible for the catalyst for errosion when combined with moisture? Yes. Which is why it's a good idea to make sure a 6105 is pressure tested or, for me, simply left well away from water.

Thanks Kyle...not there yet...but nearly.
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I should add..I'm not 100%.. but that's my reasoning now.
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Thanks Guy for the photos and sharing your experience with the 6105 Indices. I need to get one of those macro cameras so I can take better closeup photos

I was finally able to finish all the strap treatments and spent some time looking closely at the plots on the 6105s. Polished, Matte, Shiny, Dull - they are all over the board. I simply cannot find any 2 that are identical. One Proof has Highly Polished Indices that Sparkle and the other has Matte Indices. Some Resists have Shiny Plots and some are Dull.

I have No Idea Why this Is but I suspect that Dials in better condition have more of a tendency to have plots that are Bright and Shiny. I will try to take some better photos to show the differences.

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There's really so much to learn from you guys...many thanks for taking time to share!
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