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Old 05-26-2017, 10:33 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Seikomatic Selfdater 70m J13.083

Here's a couple of Seikomatic Selfdaters. These featured the 39 jewels cal. 395 movement which was the top of the range in the early 60's. the 395 was the first low-beat chronometer. It evolved into the 6216 and the 6246 Grand Seiko. Seikomatic Selfdaters appeared in 30m, 50m, and the much harder to find 70m versions. They don't get GS or diver money as yet, which suits me.

Here's a 50m from my collection:



And my 70m version recently returned from Duncan for a full movement service. I found this gold cap example on the YJ auction a few months ago:



A nice case back on these!


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Great examples, Jim! Not a fan of golden dress watches, but it looks really nice!
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Great examples, Jim! Not a fan of golden dress watches, but it looks really nice!
I'm with you there Jonas.. for the most part. I have a large wrist and prefer a bigger watch, but some of the early 60's Seilomatic's, Sportsmatic's and Silverwaves, ... and GS, KS, LM, Bellmatics, etc.... do appeal to me.
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Like them both Jim although agree with Jonas on the gold, but that 50m version is particularly fetching I must say. Condition of them is damn nice.
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Another great case back
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Like them both Jim although agree with Jonas on the gold, but that 50m version is particularly fetching I must say. Condition of them is damn nice.
I've only ever seen the 70m version with cap gold.
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Case back's are epic! Love the silver sunburst dials, they look great in the flesh. They don't photograph well, I've got an old mint 66- with silver dial and it's a thing of beauty.
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Very nice watches
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hi jim . my stainless 50m says hi!
its got the etched, not engraved, back, and after 54 years the whale, "39", and the crown are near-imperceptible , though still visible at kissing distance to the naked eye
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sorry jim. i forgot the pictures.

here this middle-aged gent does the groceries

if you have a caseback that you are willing to part with, let me know!
(sorry John, shameless self-promotion...)

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The 70m version certainly is a rare bird. This is a special watch. It would have been top of the range in its day, and maybe all 70m were gold cap? The 70m depth rating was not bettered until the 62mas was introduced in 1965.
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The thickness of gold is quite impressing too, 260 micron!!!

I have one with an dial that have turned grey, looks real good actually.




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Very nicely aged dials Jim and Bjorn. Great pieces.
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Interesting but useless fact:

260 microns is equal to one-fourth of a millimeter.

the width of a typical human hair is 75 microns. So 260 microns would be about 4 hairs wide. Nothing to scoff at, and would certainly survive a lifetime of wear.
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I just had to get one.
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Those are REALLY nice, and the gold dress watches are my fave, so great post!
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I just had to get one.
I hope you don't mind me asking - how much do these usually go for? Thank you very much!
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I hope you don't mind me asking - how much do these usually go for? Thank you very much!
I paid 32000 Yen, but they don’t come along very often. I missed out on one a couple of years ago that went for about 50000 Yen.
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resurrect this 2017 thread,
was wondering what is the difference for the 50m print in blue vs black?
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Beautiful watches. What size is the case on these watches?
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"Selfdater" = someone who goes to the movies alone?!
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Jim I came across this Box of Dials a while back I did not need any but felt the day would come that One of the Guys that Collected these may need one.? Your two are stunning examples of Vintage Gems.







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Bjorn your Seikomatics are also Beautiful
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resurrect this 2017 thread,
was wondering what is the difference for the 50m print in blue vs black?
I think the blue ones are earlier, and Seiko later switched to black printing due to the blue fading over time.
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"Selfdater" = someone who goes to the movies alone?!





I don't know why I bothered....
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