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Old 04-26-2015, 03:20 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The 8f Family Grows: the SBCM Diver

Greetings all, its been a long time! Some of you may remember me and my discovery of watches using the 8f movement, which I described in this post: https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japan...8f-family.html . Near the end of that thread FMC000 commented that it lacked some SBCM divers, to which i replied: "FMC, quite possibly! The SBCM 023 diver I have to admit doesnt set me on fire... maybe its a bit small... "

Shows you what I know. About a year ago in another great Yahoo.jp 'Junk' find, I picked up a reasonably priced SBCM 023, just for the collection you understand. I didn't really have any special yen for Divers, I dont like bracelets, and the consensus was that it was a bit small. However when it arrived, all change! Its taken me a year, but here it is:



What made it better in the flesh? Its a very solid feeling watch, without being massive. The whole diver thing Seiko got right a long time ago, and this feels very consistent with the long history of conventionally cased Seiko divers.



I have small wrists, and the size it turns out is perfect for me. After sizing the bracelet (7 links at 12, 4 at 6) it fits my wrist like a glove. To compete with a titanium Landrek for comfort I would have thought impossible, but this watch just disappears during the course of the day. I love the solid links, it feels like a better bracelet than many of the stainless bracelets I have seen from Seiko.

So having been fully grabbed, I started to keep my eyes open... first up popped a very clean version, which I grabbed as the drawer queen, nice to have a nice example. Then, along came this...



The orange SBCM 029, you have to love the blast of colour! Originally I liked the dial but bought it grudgingly since I hate the gold hand outlines and bezel numbers, but whenm you see it in person its clearer they are really metallic orange which is a lot better IMHO.

Next issue is that it only came on rubber, and for me the standard Seiko diver straps... meh. I'd love it on a bracelet, but what chance is there of finding a bracelet (and more to the point, end links)? I tried a bit but it would be like finding rocking horse poo... But then another 023 Yahoo.jp junk item came up, and what better way to get the right bracelet and ends, and have a head to put on an Isofrane knockoff or a Maratac, or a GasGasBones!



So, a year late (sorry, its been a crazy busy year) but all the more complete for that, another chapter in my 8f saga...


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Old 04-26-2015, 06:01 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Never come across the 8F series of divers. They all look like drawer queens , and a great collection. Glad you managed to find a bracelet for the orange 8F, persistence is key! I'm not a fan of metal bracelets, I'm all Seiko rubber and Zulu straps. Hopefully I'll find a bracelet that I can wear all day.
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That's an impressive collection. I take it these are JDM models?
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Very nice. Especially the 029 in Orange. I too am looking for a bracelet for my 023 as the bracelet is in really lousy shape.
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Cool watch and it is more refined that say a 7548 or a SKX007, just to small for me since they wear exactly like a 38mm.

Great collection.
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One of Seiko's best diver watches ever made.
Now you just need the Pepsi version and you good to go
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Nice watches Mark - esp the tango one
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One of Seiko's best diver watches ever made.
Now you just need the Pepsi version and you good to go
I have the Pepsi version. Also pulled a BNIB from the Jap Yahoo.
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Balzebub, can you find someone to refinish the bracelet? Shouldnt be hard and it would come up looking great.

Moonriver, beautiful, is that the 027 with a blue dial? It looks the same dark gray as the 023 in your photos...

MAV66 I think they were JDM models though for a while a decade ago you could find them relatively easily...

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Balzebub, can you fond someone to refinish the bracelet? Shouldnt be hard and it would come up looking great.

Moonriver, beautiful, is that the 027 with a blue dial? It looks the same dark gray as the 023 in your photos...

MAV66 I think they were JDM models though for a while a decade ago you could find them relatively easily...
The Pepsi is a 025 and the BNIB is a 023

I also have another 023 on the rubber strap
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I also have another 023 on the rubber strap
Ah Moonriver, you are a true believer as well, beautiful examples!

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Great collection and photos (as always Mark) of another group of 8f Seikos. Congratulations!. I have a SBCM023 that has mostly been sitting in its box for past couple of years. I really should wear it more often even though it does appear a bit small on my wrist. Thank you for sharing.
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Great collection and congrats! Thanks for sharing.


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So a year ago on a long plane trip i had written a post about the two Seiko 8f35 divers I had aquired, but I never got around to posting it....

8f35 Divers: buying Marmite?

As some of you may know my love has become the 8f family of high accuracy quartz watches produced by Seiko in the 90’s. As one member pointed out in my last acquisition post the main thing missing from my 8f family were divers, which at the time I hadnt really been too interested in. But then again….

I started looking at the divers, and two started to appeal to me: the classically styled SBCM023 has been a very popular watch with some, and derided as too small by others…. The SLR001 on the other hand, sometimes called a Quartz Monster (not a great moniker IMHO) but certainly a monster in terms of size was something that I found visually very appealing, but they suffer from a rubbery plastic partial shoud part disintegrating as it reaches the end of its material life. Seeing them on auction sites with a broken or no shoud has become the most common, and they arent cheap! Replacement shroud parts are like hens teeth, and they are declining at the same rate as the originals. The choice would be to pay big for a declining watch or pay quite a bit (in my terms) for an incomplete watch with realistically no chance of finding a shoud.

As I started paying attention I saw a SBCM023 on Rinkya appear, with a calendar misfunction: joy to my ears! I won the auction for a reasonable sum, passed it on to get serviced and pressure tested and… wow, I love it. I have smaller wrists so the first hurdle that it might be too small for me didn’t arise, its perfect. The next concern is that I tend not to like bracelets, especially cheap ones, but this is a very nice solid link bracelet, let down as always by stamped end links. The whole simple solid understated look I love, with the big crown, snappy bezel action, its become perhaps my number one wearer at the moment.

However one major flaw in the 8f32/35 movements for me is the lack of the quick-set hour hand that is found in the 8f56/58 movements. When you have a watch aiming for +/- 15 secs/year, losing your accuarcy as you change time zones or daylight savings setting is frustrating. Im on a plane (DUB-SFO) writing this now, and will have to go through my little pantomime sequence of setting the phone timer as I pull out the crown, resetting, waiting for 1 minute to elapse, and then re-engaging to hold onto the time within at least a few seconds… Another reason why I hate this? Screw-down crowns. The fear of damaging the threads really makes me dislike messing with the crown, my ideal travel watch is an 8f56 with a pull-out stem, like the ‘Great Blue’ GMT.

While waiting for the SBCM023 to arrive from Japan I had mentioned online a Blue 8f56 Landrek I was also expecting, and an experienced member messaged to offer a trade. The trade would be for an SLR001 with part of the shroud intact and the full complement of shroud screws… I had 2 Blue Landtreks already, and I was starting to have a serious lust issue with the SLR – whats to decide? I posted off the Landrek before Christmas, and received the SLR just after New Years and man, that is some serious chunk of Stainless Steel. Deep, wide, with a nice domed crystal and an internal cyclops, I love it, but others think it’s the ugliest watch I have. The problem is exacerbated by the funny bracelet solution: this chunky watch in reality has a 14mm lug width, normally hidden under the plastic partial shroud. When the shroud isnt there it becomes quite visible especially as the lugs are not cosmetically finished, leaving it looking incomplete.

Before I received that watch, another one came by on the Bay with a low BIN, and who wouldn’t? I did, and so now I have two of these chunks of watch! This version from the US had no shroud part or screws.

But, didn’t I say in the beginning there wasn’t any point in buying into a watch that would always be held ransom by failing plastic parts with no replacement options? That will be the next post, I hope anyone with an interest in these SLR models will read that thread and help a forum-sourced project develop!

In the meantime, the Marmite reference should be explained for non-poms. Marmite is a funny thick dark brown goo that has a vaguely meaty yeasty flavour. It is most definitely not to everyones taste, some hate it but others love it, leading to things which only elicit strong responses positive or negative being compared to Marmite. For different reasons these divers are the same: the SBCM is either perfect or too small to be considered, while the SLR001 is either perfect or too large to be considered! I love them both. But hate Marmite.
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Nice collections guys. As you know, these are commanding premium prices now.
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Hi Mark. Nice watches for sure. Just acquired a very cheap 8f58 Pipin that I never even knew existed.
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Nice collection to be sure.....I would love to acquire one of these in the future!
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Hi all,what's the market price value to buy a sbcm nowadays?


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Pff ,love all of them
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I bought an 023 last year. They really are superb in so many respects and it could have been my perfect watch, but it was just too small in comparison with a 7548 (which is just about the right size for me). Sadly, it was flipped almost immediately.
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Nice collection, I'm jealous!


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One of Seiko's best diver watches ever made.
Now you just need the Pepsi version and you good to go
Ah, I did find a nicely wabi-ed 025, just to round out the collection you understand. On a GasGasBones strap which I love, I have 3 or 4 now.

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Nice watch... watch out the speed traps next time.
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How Long is the production period for this range of beauty and what's the market price to pay for ?


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