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Old 02-06-2015, 06:59 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default The Trade Forum, rules (again), yes or no ?

IMO the TF rules are very simple and basic but not a day goes by where all users abide by the rules.

Question, should we abide by the rules which keep the TF tidy and easy to use or should we just be lazy and let anything go ?

For the mods it can be a PITA to contact members and advise them they have missed the price or FS etc from there posts.

It would be much easier for a mod to delete any post that doesent follow the easy guidelines which at times we are reluctant to do when a member has spent some considerable time putting his post together (and still missed the little vital points).


So what do you think,
  • forget the rules and anything goes.
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  • Mods just delete without warning any post that doesent abide by the simple basic rules what ever the excuse ?
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Old 02-06-2015, 07:13 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Well John the rules are so simple and straight forward. They also make a lot of sense. Something one might do if there were no instructions at all anyway. I'm myself am big on rules. Especially when the bar is set so low. I myself would just delete the listing but I can be a big of a wanker sometimes when it comes to not following simple rules. Kind of a pet peeve of mind. Especially if I was the one who had to clean up the mess!

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The rules are simple and clear. I am a relative newbie on this site, but even I have seen the rules 'bent' or ignored. The rules are reasonable and are not that difficult to follow. So yes, if the post breaks the rules then it should be deleted.
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Personally I am grateful for the work that the mods do here - and so if it makes their life easier, then just delete the post. Put the emphasis back on the poster to determine their error / omission and save the mods the time
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Forget the rules and anything goes?? Whats next? that opens up a big can of worms.

I say make life easy and delete the post making the poster take the effort to figure out why. That way maybe then they will take the time to read the rules.
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So what do you think,
  • forget the rules and anything goes.
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  • Mods just delete without warning any post that doesent abide by the simple basic rules what ever the excuse ?
Can't we have something in between these two extremes?
Why shouldn't mods make minor corrections to posts if that's all that's required? - like adding a missing 'FS' in the subject for example.
I think mods should contact people when obvious unintentional mistakes have been made (e.g. no price) and give them the chance to make corrections.
If this is too much workload for the current team then maybe we should appoint some additional mods?
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Old 02-06-2015, 08:41 AM   #7 (permalink)
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Talking Delete, but PM User with "Quote"?

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I certainly don't think we should relax the rules.


And *I* can't imagine creating a posting without also saving it as a text file.


Nonetheless, can't the mods send the user a PM with the "Quote" feature, so they have a copy of the posting, then delete it.


Maybe go so far as to have some text like "Does not follow Trade Forum rules." on the clipboard when you go to check the forum and paste that into the PM.


Doesn't sound to hard to me...


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It's a no brainer.

Having your sales post deleted will make sure you do it right the next time.

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Not too long ago I made a FS post. Followed all the rules, including pictures. Previewed the post and all was fine. Hit the button to post it and when it got to the site the picture was gone. I got an email from John within seconds telling me I needed a picture. Within seconds I edited and put the pictures back in. All was good. Little while later same thing. Set up a post, including pics, previewed and it was fine. Hit post and the pics were again missing. This time I was waiting for it and got it fixed before anyone notified me.

I am somewhat computer literate and I know how to follow rules, but I would not have had a problem if the posts had just been deleted. I would have known it was because of some infraction and it would have been on me to figure out why. If the mods can send a PM just telling me it has been deleted that would help (so I know what is going on and can fix it) and the mods also must remember that if someone can't figure out what they did wrong they will be contacted.
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Delete non-conforming posts. Why should the mods be required to waste time doing the work that posters should do for themselves. Posting is free, so putting the 'cost' on the poster makes perfect sense.
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Delete with out warning.
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I know that I have made some basic mistakes in the past, but having your post deleted will certainly encourage you to focus on the rules next time! So I am with the delete crowd.
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Just delete them.
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I'd advise the mods to use some discretion. If a noob turns up and one of their first posts is a FS then delete it without warning, but if a more established member makes an honest mistake in a listing then taking 30 secs to send a pm shouldn't be too much of a burden.

And while we are on the subject of TF rules, can we have one advising members not to reply 'Sold' when an item sells. All this does is bump the ad back up to the top of the page when the item is no longer available. Just edit the original post with sold next to the price and let it drop down the page .
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Is it not possible to have a simple form to fill in when using the TP, so that if you haven't ticked all the boxes then your thread will not post.

Failing that ,just delete them
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See how they do it on MacRumors, for example. They have a ton of rules that they actively enforce, including leaving the price intact once the item sells to help future sellers price their items accordingly. Posts that fail to comply are locked/deleted and a PM is sent to the poster, referring them to read the rules.

I think one of the most frustrating ones is "just make me an offer." Either you're actively selling something or you're not. You clearly have an idea of what you'll take, so just save everyone the effort of trying to get in your head and make a killing.

I agree that I've sometimes seen rules bent, particularly when it comes to the number of active posts and how often they are bumped. Additionally, though I sell items through other outlets, it's a little annoying to see vendors (in spirit, not in letter) selling the same items, day after day, week after week, month after month. The rules are in place to protect people and their hard-earned money, not to be oppressive and draw complaints by sellers claiming the rules inhibit them from selling their goods. If the rules are too much, there are dozens of other forums that you can (and likely do) use to sell your items.

Ultimately, I think the emphasis should be placed on protecting the community we have here, which means that if a few sellers find these simple rules to be too burdensome, they may not be the type of folks with whom I want to conduct business.
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And at risk of being (even more) long-winded -- forgive me; I'm a lawyer -- I moderated a forum that had somewhere around 50,000 members and was active on a level I've really only seen on WUS. It was a miserable experience and I am wholly grateful to our moderators for keeping things in line here. Nonetheless, that experience taught me that no matter what rules are in place and enforced (and which rules are overlooked), someone will always think it's unfair that their topic got locked and/or deleted. I don't think that can be avoided on a public forum.
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Well said Chevere...this should not be a burden to the Mods...we are all here for fun and knowledge and to help each other...i know like most of us...we make mistakes when we list things...but when we do...the Mods are very kind and tell us what we did wrong...but i agree...if we screw up..just delete them...whatever is easiest for the Mods...we are in their debt...God Bless John
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I think one of the most frustrating ones is "just make me an offer." Either you're actively selling something or you're not. You clearly have an idea of what you'll take, so just save everyone the effort of trying to get in your head and make a killing.
Thanks for contributing your thoughts, they were well- and succinctly-put. I am glad I'm not the only one who feels that way about "offers invited"- it really puts me off an item/seller when I imagine the pointless haggling that I would have to potentially engage in, just to find out the seller was entirely too optimistic in their item's worth. I effectively use "offers invited" now as a filter for sales posts not to look at!
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wow...i never knew that...i always thought when people asked for offers or trades...that is a great way to open a conversation and maybe make a deal...i never use it to fish for haggling...i will make sure to change my ads from here on it...thank you Noah R
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Deleting seems the best option. As you say John, the rules are clear enough.
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By all means...keep on deleting without any explanation
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wow...i never knew that...i always thought when people asked for offers or trades...that is a great way to open a conversation and maybe make a deal...i never use it to fish for haggling...i will make sure to change my ads from here on it...thank you Noah R
I think trades are a different animal altogether because you really do have to work with the other person to find common ground. My comment relates more to someone who is on the fence about selling their item. Imagine if sellers on eBay could hide the fact that they have a reserve set. That's what soliciting offers seems like to me.
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Big believer in keeping the input from the moderators down to a minimum. They expend time and effort for no financial gain and to me it often seems a thankless task. It is a job I would not wish to do and places like this would not exist for long without them. I go with what makes their life easier
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The rules are fine, John.. Unfortunately, there are a lot out there who live by the idea that it is OK to break rules as long as they don't get caught.. see it all the time when driving.. the only way they learn, if ever, is for the consequences to have an impact.. three strikes and they should lose privilege of using the Trading Forum..
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