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Many of the MACV SOG Recon Team Patches were designed by the Team Members. John Plaster designed the 3rd RT Hawaii Recon Team Patch.

The Mask represents the Ancient Hawaiian God of War - Ku




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The 6119-8101 I previously mentioned arrived. It was acquired from a collector who originally purchased it over ten years ago. This individual was also an early contributor to the collective research pertaining to the MacV-SOG watches. It’s from April ‘69 and pictured alongside my father’s infantry jacket, also from ‘69.

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Many of the MACV SOG Recon Team Patches were designed by the Team Members. John Plaster designed the 3rd RT Hawaii Recon Team Patch.

The Mask represents the Ancient Hawaiian God of War - Ku



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Aloha ,

Thanks for the information .... Kyle.

Just to add some .... Historic Information for those who might want to know this.
The Ancient God .... " KU "... is worshiped in the Hawaiian Religion System :

As you watch the movie segment and it shows .... Old Ancient Parts of the areas and land those pictures showing of the area is on on .... The Big Island of Hawaii and where the Volcanoes are at.
This is very close to..... The City of Kona ...on the South-East part of the city and a very well
know Tourist and Vacationing place.
The area is known as ... " The City of Refuge ".
This was a place that when a individual entered the surrounding Temple Area ....it was a place of Extreme Safety and Refuge.
This is also a very .... " Sacred Held Place to Native Hawaiian People yet today ".

This Park is maintained by ....
" The United States National Parks Services and is patrolled daily by National Park Rangers.
The picture of the Three God's is in ......The Bishop Museum on the Island of Oahu -
Honolulu, Hawaii.
The picture of the Statue in the Botanical Garden is on ...... The Big Island of Hawaii and was
carved in 1998 from the ... Original Tree that stood there by .... Mr. William " Rocky " Vargas.
The sign read .....
KU... The giver of .... Wisdom , Strength , Courage , and also when in any ...Type of Competition.
This why ...... John Plaster chose .... " The GOD of WAR KU ".
Aloha
Louis

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Aloha my friend I remember reading in James Micheners Hawaii that Kanaloa (Ta'aroa) was the god of hell, not Ku. Was Michener mistaken ?
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Aloha my friend I remember reading in James Micheners Hawaii that Kanaloa (Ta'aroa) was the god of hell, not Ku. Was Michener mistaken ?
Sorry my mistake. Ku was war god. Not god of hell



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Aloha Sir,

Yes ...KU The War God.
No problem Sir,
But as mentioned for many ....... War is always said to be Hell.

Note:
KANE ( E is ..A ) Considered ....The Highest of The God Deity and ...The God of Pre-Creation.
LONO .... God of The Sea
KANaLOA .... The God of The Underworld and of Chants.
KU ..... The God Of War
PELE ...The Fire Goddess.

KANE ... The Mythical God of ... Pre-Creation
LONO , KANE , KANALOA , (Fire God PELE .. E is sounding as ... A.
( KANE pronounced as ... KA'NA ... E is sounding as ...A .
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Findings for knowledge for these meanings as for ...Hawaii Mythology.

http://www.hawaiireads.com/articles/...ur-major-gods/

Oceanic Gods:
http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/godsocen.htm

Diagram looks of ...The Gods
http://wunderkabinett.blogspot.com/

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bigblue- hello. You look like you done a hell of a lot of research on SOG and are very interested in the seiko watch connection.
I ran SOG recon from 67-69.
If you have any questions I'll try to answer them.
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bigblue- hello. You look like you done a hell of a lot of research on SOG and are very interested in the seiko watch connection.
I ran SOG recon from 67-69.
If you have any questions I'll try to answer them.
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Photos?
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You've got a photo of me right on this thread. I'm the guy with the seiko watch, a sawed off m-79, and a cig hanging out of my mouth. You posted it. #93. dated 8/14/2016. That photo was from one of Jason Hardy's books.
You also have a few photos of John Meyer, who is a good friend. I'm in chapter 5 of his book,"Accross the fence".
My name is Tim Schaaf
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Hi Guys,

Happy belated 2020! Nothing new to report from me on the SOG watch front. Had a fun experience recently. Went to downtown Mooresville, NC. There is a coffee shop there that is also a Veteran's museum. Spent time chatting with a few vets and listened to some live bluegrass. Heard a pretty funny story from a Korean War vet about the night before a bunch of grunts shipped out from Ft. Smith AR. Had to make sure the wife couldn't hear him.
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You've got a photo of me right on this thread. I'm the guy with the seiko watch, a sawed off m-79, and a cig hanging out of my mouth. You posted it. #93. dated 8/14/2016. That photo was from one of Jason Hardy's books.
You also have a few photos of John Meyer, who is a good friend. I'm in chapter 5 of his book,"Accross the fence".
My name is Tim Schaaf
Jason Hardy's books are fantastic. Jason spent a lot of time researching and documenting MACV SOG and his photos are fantastic. Do you have your own personal photos you could share? I would love to see a photo of you and Tilt?
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Tilt probably had more photos taken of himself than anyone I know, but I don't recall seeing any with the 2 of us, although there may be one somewhere. We were at Phu Bai together and have been friends for over 50 years. I just spoke with him a few days ago about a mutual friend who's not doing very well.
I do have some photos of myself with some other fellas and my Seiko(8100-6119). I also understand why you want me to ID myself and I'm not offended.
I have another motive for contacting you. I still have my Seiko and I'm interested in finding out the value. I talked to Jason Hardy about it 4-5 years ago, but he really had little idea at the time. I thought it should have a bit more value since I have several photos of me with it on, and I do have an extensive SOG recon background.
There seems to be more interest in them now than in the past and although I want to pass mine down to my daughter, I'd still like to get some idea of the value.
I'll try to figure out how to post some photos on this forum that you've never seen, Ive done it before but not for a while.
Nice to meet you. Tim
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Tilt probably had more photos taken of himself than anyone I know, but I don't recall seeing any with the 2 of us, although there may be one somewhere. We were at Phu Bai together and have been friends for over 50 years. I just spoke with him a few days ago about a mutual friend who's not doing very well.
I do have some photos of myself with some other fellas and my Seiko(8100-6119). I also understand why you want me to ID myself and I'm not offended.
I have another motive for contacting you. I still have my Seiko and I'm interested in finding out the value. I talked to Jason Hardy about it 4-5 years ago, but he really had little idea at the time. I thought it should have a bit more value since I have several photos of me with it on, and I do have an extensive SOG recon background.
There seems to be more interest in them now than in the past and although I want to pass mine down to my daughter, I'd still like to get some idea of the value.
I'll try to figure out how to post some photos on this forum that you've never seen, Ive done it before but not for a while.
Nice to meet you. Tim
Wow...I'm looking forward to seeing that.
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Tilt probably had more photos taken of himself than anyone I know, but I don't recall seeing any with the 2 of us, although there may be one somewhere. We were at Phu Bai together and have been friends for over 50 years. I just spoke with him a few days ago about a mutual friend who's not doing very well.
I do have some photos of myself with some other fellas and my Seiko(8100-6119). I also understand why you want me to ID myself and I'm not offended.
I have another motive for contacting you. I still have my Seiko and I'm interested in finding out the value. I talked to Jason Hardy about it 4-5 years ago, but he really had little idea at the time. I thought it should have a bit more value since I have several photos of me with it on, and I do have an extensive SOG recon background.
There seems to be more interest in them now than in the past and although I want to pass mine down to my daughter, I'd still like to get some idea of the value.
I'll try to figure out how to post some photos on this forum that you've never seen, Ive done it before but not for a while.
Nice to meet you. Tim
Check this link out.

https://www.thewatchsite.com/8-seiko...-pictures.html
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Some photos. This is a test.
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Some more photos.
The first one is myself with 3 buddies at Khe Sahn Fob#3, in May 68. Seiko is visible on my left hand, which tells me the photo is probably flipped. I'm left handed.
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Maybe someone could tell me why the photos are sideways. Sorry about that.
My Seiko, as it appears today. When I got back from Nam I gave it to my brother, who kept in a box and never wore it. Then about 15 years ago he gave it back to me, for which I'm very grateful. It's been serviced and has a new crystal, but it's in great shape, especially for what it's been through. I still have the old crystal.
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Hopefully you can see, with the expanded view, the "FOB-3" on the conex in the background. The other fella is Mike Mein, who is burried at Arlington. That photo, which was taken by Robery Shippen unbeknownst to me, was taken just prior to us jumping on a chopper and inserting into Laos. That was Mike's first and only mission. He was killed on November 30, 1968, with 5 others.
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This is a photo taken just minutes after we got in from a mission in September 1968. From left, John Smith 1-1, 1st Lt. Mike Armstrong1-2, and me on the right, Tim Schaaf 1-0. It was a 7 day mission, the longest run out of FOB#1 in 1968, and we got shot down and had to be rescued by the chase ship.
Three very tired men.

Anyway, there you go.
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BigBlue- You wanted to see a photo of myself with Tilt. There are a few from the 2007 SOA reunion. They gave me a birthday party and there are a bunch of photos of the bravest men I've ever known.

Go to the "Special Operations Association" website. Then to Archives, then photos, then SOAR 2007 part one. I'm the guy in the yellow print shirt. Photo 2 has Tilt standing up and laughing.
There are about 20 photos of the event.

Bunch of others in those photos. Pat Watkins(DSC recipient and my best buddy), Clyde Sincere (DSC recipient and my CO at Mai Loc), Clete "Babyson" Synyard, "Bull Dog"Smith(CO at FOB#3), Snake Adams (Silver Star recipient), and many others.
Not too many of us left at this point.

Blue- Let me know if you or others have any specific questions about the Seiko SOG watches.

Just to let you all know, although I Admire and appeciate you interest in the subject, I'm probably won't be a long term member on this site.
So, if you have any questions I can answer, have at it.
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This is me and Lynne Black (a SOG icon). We were on ALABAMA team together. I have the watch on but you really can't see it. We were just taking off in an H-34 chopper, out of FOB#3, Phu Bai on a mission, September 68.
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This is me and Lynne Black (a SOG icon). We were on ALABAMA team together. I have the watch on but you really can't see it. We were just taking off in an H-34 chopper, out of FOB#3, Phu Bai on a mission, September 68.
I believe that the above photo and information was taken directly from a John Stryker Meyer article that can be found here:

https://sofrep.com/news/nva-general-...alties-pt-1-2/

(Featured image shows Lynne M. Black Jr. riding in a South Vietnamese Air Force’s 219th Special Operation Squadron H-34 in late November 1968, en route to a target in Laos. Talking on the radio is SOG team leader Tim Schaaf. Photo courtesy of John E. Peters)

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Bigblue- Are you suggesting I took the info off that article and that I'm not Tim Schaaf, that hansome devil in the photo? That is me.

Well, I obviously did take that photo directly off the article that Tilt wrote, I could't find my copy here at the house. But that's my photo pal.

If what I'm posting about myself is too hard for you to believe, that's your problem. I didn't come on hear to be called a liar.

I said i was interested in finding out the approximate value of my watch. That was my main purpose.

This whole thing has become a bit silly. Didn't expect this at all.

Good Luck.

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Bigblue- Are you suggesting I took the info off that article and that I'm not Tim Schaaf, that hansome devil in the photo? That is me.

Well, I obviously did take that photo directly off the article that Tilt wrote, I could't find my copy here at the house. But that's my photo pal.

If what I'm posting about myself is too hard for you to believe, that's your problem. I didn't come on hear to be called a liar.

I said i was interested in finding out the approximate value of my watch. That was my main purpose.

This whole thing has become a bit silly. Didn't expect this at all.

Good Luck.
I hope I don't step on either of your toes (Schaaft11 or BigBluKyle), but here goes...

As a long-term reader (and occasional poster) of this thread I've come to realize that it has become THE definitive resource for these really special watches. And along the way we've shared some really great stories, pics and become friends. It has also become a bit of an online touchstone for all things related to MACV-SOG and the US's participation SE Asian conflicts.

Mr. Scaaft11, I think what BBK is saying/asking (and maybe he is too polite and I am the a$$hole) is that we would like to see a picture of you that hasn't already been put up on the web or published in a book previously. And if you could share that, please include something relatively current in it too that helps confirm your identity WITHOUT giving up your more personal information. It could be as simple as last month's power bill showing the postmark date but with your finger over the address.

Why? Because some of us have encountered people - either online or in actual life - where they claim to be someone they are not. And especially now, when so much information is available online, some of them have become pretty sophisticated in their ability to convince others. And when we are discussing US Vets and veteran history we think it is especially important to maintain truth and accuracy. Mainly of out respect for our veterans and to a lesser degree, for the integrity of this thread.

Again, no disrespect or offense intended and I hope I did a good job speaking for the other contributors here.

As for the watch, it is a really fine example and it looks pristine. Recent sales have been as high as $2000 USD, so I would guess something North of that amount. Hope that helps you.
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