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Old 05-30-2019, 05:24 PM   #426 (permalink)
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Old 05-30-2019, 06:13 PM   #427 (permalink)
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and finished

As always Sir ..........Top Shape and Well Done.
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Well the $2100 Seiko 7005 8030 onEbay sold last night. Thats just crazy money w/o provenance. A rare watch, yes, but worthy of those prices as a watch with no history, I think not.

I'll wait till I stumble across one that's just being sold as a "nice old watch".
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Well the $2100 Seiko 7005 8030 onEbay sold last night. Thats just crazy money w/o provenance. A rare watch, yes, but worthy of those prices as a watch with no history, I think not.

I'll wait till I stumble across one that's just being sold as a "nice old watch".
That is just like going to ...The Horse Races made a .... Bet and began watching them run.
Then you find out .... The Horse You Bet On , was one that belong to one of .... The Assistants
there that jumped into ... The Track and just started to run and was .... Illegal to be there and
then you find out it was .... The Wrong Horse that ran ...." And You made a Bet on the Wrong Horse "
and really lost.
Especially when found out it was just a .... " Old Plug Horse that Never Ever Raced ".

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In the past when viewing auction results and prices have gone way out of a normal sales range I have been very skeptical. I look at a single one off sale as an outlier and one result does not represent the true current value or market as a whole. But here we have 2 back to back sales at 2K each in a relatively short time.

At first I thought the second auction was "opportunistic" with a BIN at $2500. Then the seller reduced the price to what I thought was just an "overly optimistic" $2100. Then it SOLD! Once again just like many of you I was Shocked.

A single sale could be an outlier and only represents a dot on a chart but 2 sales create a pattern.

If indeed the watch did sell at that price perhaps the marketplace has placed a higher value on Seiko SOG military watches. Like anything what something is worth is what people are willing to pay for it.
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How much is a Seiko SOG 6119-8101 in excellent condition, recently serviced, and running well on it's orginal MILSPEC OD strap and WCC compass that was issued by the Counter Insurgency Support Office (CISO) to a 5th Special Forces MACV SOG operator assigned to CCN with Full Documentation including actual photos of the operator wearing the watch in Vietnam worth???
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Not a watch but another incoming. Randall Model 14 Attack - Amazing Combat Knife specifically designed for use in the Vietnam Jungle during the 1960s. Stainless Steel blade (no rust) with Brown Micarta handle (great grip when wet). Special Edition Vietnam Veteran Knife made by the Randall Shop in 2005 limited to 500 made.


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Probably bodes well for those collectors with prime condition examples. Provided they are selling, that is. I think you don't sell (in general), Kyle
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In the past when viewing auction results and prices have gone way out of a normal sales range I have been very skeptical. I look at a single one off sale as an outlier and one result does not represent the true current value or market as a whole. But here we have 2 back to back sales at 2K each in a relatively short time.

At first I thought the second auction was "opportunistic" with a BIN at $2500. Then the seller reduced the price to what I thought was just an "overly optimistic" $2100. Then it SOLD! Once again just like many of you I was Shocked.

A single sale could be an outlier and only represents a dot on a chart but 2 sales create a pattern.

If indeed the watch did sell at that price perhaps the marketplace has placed a higher value on Seiko SOG military watches. Like anything what something is worth is what people are willing to pay for it.
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How much is a Seiko SOG 6119-8101 in excellent condition, recently serviced, and running well on it's orginal MILSPEC OD strap and WCC compass that was issued by the Counter Insurgency Support Office (CISO) to a 5th Special Forces MACV SOG operator assigned to CCN with Full Documentation including actual photos of the operator wearing the watch in Vietnam worth???
Do you have one for sale or one in que?
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WHO CAN TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE(S) BETWEEN A 7005 8030 & A 7005 8050?
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WHO CAN TELL ME THE DIFFERENCE(S) BETWEEN A 7005 8030 & A 7005 8050?

Beuhler?......

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Here's my collection of Waltham wrist compasses. I have all three makes, ie. Waltham, W.C. Co., and W.C.C. One is still mint in bag on a strap, as issued.
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Here's my collection of Waltham wrist compasses. I have all three makes, ie. Waltham, W.C. Co., and W.C.C. One is still mint in bag as issued.
Excellent collection of Vietnam War Wrist Compasses. Crystals look to be in great shape and you have the original straps. The 3rd from the Top W.C. Co wrist compass looks like it has a better quality MILSPEC strap. I believe it is most likely that all 3 compasses were used in the Vietnam War. The US Military were still issuing leftover WW2 Waltham compasses for a Very Long Time. W. C. Co and WCC were manufactured during the Vietnam War Era so they would have definitely seen use.

Waltham also made a WPIC wrist compass that looks identical to the others. I believe this was the Second version made sometime after WW2 (WALTHAM) and most likely during the Korean War. At that time Waltham had changed their name to Waltham Precision Instruments Company (WPIC). WPIC Wrist compasses are Hard to Find.

Also during the Vietnam War Waltham made a special order wrist compass for the US Navy Seals. I have never seen one come up for sale.
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Thanks Kyle,

Ive been after some to compliment the SOG watches Ive been accumulating lately. I think two of the compasses didnt have straps but I've purchased about 2 dozen un issued 1965 dated G.I. straps and used those. Bought them for re sale if you know anyone looking for them. I have about 20....ish.


Whats your story with the Seiko SOG 6119-8101 you were asking about? You've got me curious now.

And thanks for the heads up on the other Waltham compass to look for.

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great read. Subscribed because one of these SOG references is going to be my next Seiko pickup.
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Just picked up a Seiko 7005 8050R in great condition. Love the band but dont know how to tell if its a period correct one?

I also have a White dial 7005 8050 on the way. Will post pics upon arrival.
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Two more arrived today. A 6119 8083 (just for fun) and a 7005 8030. Also picked up Tire Track & Waffle pattern wrist bands.
Two more yet to arrive.
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Amazing Squad you have Assembled. I particularly like your 7005s with one on an earlier cotton military strap with wrist compass and the other on a Tire Tread Strap - Which 7005 setup looks best to you? All of your SOGs look Stunning. And More Incoming? Looking forward to seeing More

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Thanks Kyle. Im a sucker for the Nylon straps w/ compasses.

Hey I have a question. Are all the 7005 8030s marked on the dial at the "6" 8050 (R)?
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Thanks Kyle. Im a sucker for the Nylon straps w/ compasses.

Hey I have a question. Are all the 7005 8030s marked on the dial at the "6" 8050 (R)?

I Agree. A SOG setup with a Correct Vietnam War Era Wrist Compass on a strap supplied with the Wrist Compass or a Better Qualtiy MILSPEC Watch strap looks fantastic! Although I do like wearing SOGs on the Diver Straps. Classic Combinations!

All of my 7005-8030 SOGs and all of those I have seen are all marked 8050 on the Dial. Casebacks are all marked 7005-8030. You will find with Seiko that many Dial Codes do not match the caseback number.
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Thanks. So I have two 7005s that are dial marked 8050, one back is marked 8050 the other 8030. The 8030 has a second hand with a "block" on the tip that has lume. Is that common?
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Thanks. So I have two 7005s that are dial marked 8050, one back is marked 8050 the other 8030. The 8030 has a second hand with a "block" on the tip that has lume. Is that common?
Sounds like someone swapped a 8050 caseback on to a 8030 watch.

Looking more closely at your 7005 with the WCCo compass it looks like the hands might be replacements. Hard to tell from the photograph but it looks like both the Hour and Minute hand have lume area that is smaller than original hands. I can also see that the sweep seconds is not correct.

If you are a purist perhaps you might look for proper replacements but IMO having a SOG with a Dial in very good condition with the lume on the Arabic Hour Markers in decent shape is the most important part of a SOG watch. Most everything else can get sorted later on.

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As Upton Sinclair wrote “It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on his not understanding it."

The Idea that a white dress watch would have ever been an issued item is just nuts.
If you are referring to the fact that a White Face/Dial may give your position away, perhaps sitting on an ambush and it being seen, what about the fact that ALL these watches are shiny chromed/plated/Stainless watch bodies? That alone would be far more reflective and dangerous than ANY white face/dial would ever be. Sleeves were worn down, gloves worn pulled up, chances are the watch was never "out there" to be seen anyway. So I Respectfully disagree. IMHO of course.
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Many of the photos I have seen of MACV SOG Operators show them wearing the watch with the Watch Head worn to the inside of the wrist. This would make good sense as it would reduce the risk of exposure from any reflection of a stainless steel watch while in the field on a mission. But I have found no evidence of CISO ever "issuing" a White Dial Watch to MACV SOG.



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