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Old 03-24-2019, 07:06 PM   #376 (permalink)
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Thanks Guy, I only have the one.....for now, but Im on the hunt for more.

Something about these has drawn me in and won't let go.

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MACV SOG Recon Team Wyoming operating in Laos

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Old 03-24-2019, 11:47 PM   #378 (permalink)
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MACV SOG Recon Team Wyoming operating in Laos

Well Kyle I see thats another rpd on the point man. Did the m60 really suck ?
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Well Kyle I see thats another rpd on the point man. Did the m60 really suck ?
I recall reading wehrmacht accounts of der rattenkrieg -stalingrad. Field evaluation of captured PPShs revealed the Germans found it more robust and more adapted to urban warfare than the MPs with their impossibly long magazines . But that's something for another thread :-)
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Thanks Guy, I only have the one.....for now, but Im on the hunt for more.

Something about these has drawn me in and won't let go.
Similarly hooked here!

I have elderly friends who were in the Philippine contingent to Vietnam (PhilCAG) and their stories spurred my interest in Nam
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That was the SAW of its era, I guess. Lots of suppressing fire in a compact package.
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Well Kyle I see thats another rpd on the point man.
@850champion I believe you are absolutely correct about the RPD. The RPD was the percursor to the modern day M249 Squad Automatic Weapon (SAW). Just like the SAW is used today the Chopped RPD provided MACV SOG Recon Teams with the high rate of fire of a machine gun combined with the accuracy and portability of a rifle.

Developed in the Soviet Union by Vasily Degtyaryov in 1944 (but never used in WWII) the RPD was designed as a supressing fire machine gun. As a belt fed bipod based machine gun it was designed to be fired in short bursts while in a prone position and used to keep an enemy pinned down while other assault rifle troops flanked the enemy position.

Chopped Down the shortened and more compact RPD was not as accurate but served its purpose very well on MACV SOG Recon Patrols as a general purpose light machine gun that could be fired from the hip. Light weight the RPD carried a 100 round drum. Later MACV SOG Recon Teams increased the Drum size to where it could hold 125 rounds.

Usually the RPD was in the front of a Recon Team in the hands of the Point Man to be used in close combat or in case of an enemy ambush. When engaging the Enemy the Point Man could rapidly lay down solid bursts with no need to change magazines.

The RPD did have limitations. The ammunition is just linked belts rolled and inserted into a Metal drum and when carried the ammo rattled around in the drum. Very Noisy. Recon Teams lined the interior of the drum with linoleum cut from flooring reducing the rattling noise while on Patrol. Also when firing the Chopped RPD the shortened barrel became incredibly hot making the gun difficult to handle after sustained firing. Changing drums and loading belts was also time consuming.

Russian RPD captured during the Vietnam War from the Australian War Memorial

https://www.awm.gov.au/collection/C1244150



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The M60 weighed 23 lbs (10.4 kg). The Chopped Down RPD weighed 12 lbs (5.4 kg).

M60



Chopped RPD


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Wonderful Special Forces Collection. Well Done Sir!


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Heres an ERDL uniform I own that was worn by Ben "Trash" Lyons. Also a pic of him "in country". He was 1-0 on RT Maryland and 1-1 on RT Plane, IIRC.
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Any idea what this watch is? Worn by a 46th Special Forces soldier, Thailand. Probably 1969-73
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What model watch is that?
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MACV SOG Al Lamp RT Wyoming carrying an RPD and Bandolier with RPD Drums.



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Aloha,

Back then in Vietnam I watched one of these guys walk around with those reload canisters
hanging on him. I told him..........,
" Man how can you go all day long with those terrible canisters banging and flopping on you ".
He tells me ....... The RPD is a good weapon but these dam canisters are very Disgusting to have
on us all day and night.
He tells me .... I actually tie them to my Back Pack so I can be more comfortable when I walk
around ...... But I tie at least Two of them to my pack straps on the front of me for easy use.
He says the disgusting part also is when they are empty and then you have to carry them around
then have to be reloaded again and all the hassle of that getting done.
I was looking at was this guy he was around .......5'8" tall and maybe around 160-180 pounds and
with that built that made it worst to carry all that stuff. They told me he was from down south in
Louisiana in the USA but he was a crack shot too.
Aloha
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What model watch is that?



Seiko 6106-8219.

The Seiko SOG 6106-8219 is one of my favorite Seiko SOG Variants. Probably the Best Build Quality of all the Seiko SOG watches with a Solid Stainless Steel Case (other SOGs have plated mid cases) and Screw Caseback (others SOGs have snap on casebacks).

Dial is also a little nicer with a chrome applied SEIKO and DX logo (Deluxe). Watch also has a 6106 movement - great little movement, keeps great time, and hacks. I think the nicest features of the 6106-8219 are the thinner bezel and the case has shorter lugs. Watch looks more compact and stocky and IMO the smaller bezel and shorter lugs gives the watch a more purposeful look as compared to other SOG watches and normal dress watches.




The Shorter Lugs of the 6106-8219 can be seen better in this photo. Seiko 6106-8219 in the middle.


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Thank you. Love those black bands too.
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Seiko 6106-8219.

The Seiko SOG 6106-8219 is one of my favorite Seiko SOG Variants. Probably the Best Build Quality of all the Seiko SOG watches with a Solid Stainless Steel Case (other SOGs have plated mid cases) and Screw Caseback (others SOGs have snap on casebacks).

Dial is also a little nicer with a chrome applied SEIKO and DX logo (Deluxe). Watch also has a 6106 movement - great little movement, keeps great time, and hacks. I think the nicest features of the 6106-8219 are the thinner bezel and the case has shorter lugs. Watch looks more compact and stocky and IMO the smaller bezel and shorter lugs gives the watch a more purposeful look as compared to other SOG watches and normal dress watches.




The Shorter Lugs of the 6106-8219 can be seen better in this photo. Seiko 6106-8219 in the middle.

Just picked up the same model
https://i.imgur.com/WNskfIs.jpg

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Heres an ERDL uniform I own that was worn by Ben "Trash" Lyons. Also a pic of him "in country". He was 1-0 on RT Maryland and 1-1 on RT Plane, IIRC.




@37thguy I found this photo of MACV SOG Ben Lyons. You may already have seen it but thought I would post it here. Notice Lyons' modified CAR15 with added forward pistol grip - a MACV SOG improvisation.


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Great pic, thanks
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So this just ended last night on Ebay.

Model 6619-8060.

Sold for $735!

WOW.
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Hi Guys,


Haven't been here for awhile. Just checking in on y'all. The only Seiko I've added is a brand new solar PADI diver with a red, white and blue NATO strap. The lume is crazy bright on these things. Take care and stay safe.
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[quote=37thguy;2753099]So this just ended last night on Ebay.

Model 6619-8060.

Sold for $735!

WOW.

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Those are great pictures Kyle

I read an article on the net yesterday that the Zodiac Sea Wolf was the most popular non-issued watch purchased by American personnel deployed in the Vietnam War

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The lume seems to be the wrong shade on that one -what do you think guys ?
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Model 6619-8060.

Sold for $735!

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A question for those in the know. This watch appears to have the "SEIKO" name blacked out. Is this OK or perhaps its just how the light is hitting it?

Thanks for your time.

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