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Old 10-28-2018, 06:44 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Help! 5126-6010 Restoration Plans

For about two years now I've been on the lookout for a black-dialed 5126-6010 with orange accents. Here are some pics of an NOS one from an Italian watch porn site:






And from the Japanese language "1969 Summer SEIKO Ready Sports" catalog:



I've had no luck... until today. For $47 I am soon to be in possession of a rather rough looking black-dialed 5126-6010 with orange accents.





Let's break this down into sections.

MOVEMENT
I'm assuming the worst, and plan to replace the 5126 movement with one from a gold dress watch, keeping the black day and date wheels.

CRYSTAL
It takes the same common 320W10GN crystal that fits the 6105 dive watch. I've got a few on hand. I'll buff out the scratches on the bezel ring and polish it to a high shine.

INTERNAL BEZEL
This is where I worry a bit.

I've read tales of people using Rit dye to re-color Pogue dials, and Rit has recently come out with a line of Dyemore dyes specifically formulated for synthetic fabrics. It has become very popular with model builders for dying plastic parts.



A second option is using an orange highlighter.



The triangular pip will of course be re-lumed.

DIAL
The dial indices will have to be re-lumed and the orange markers refreshed with an orange marker or highlighter?

HANDS
They look bad, but not pitted (I hope). At any rate they are going to HAVE TO be cleaned up rather than replaced.



I say this because they are unlike other hands. Both have the lume centered further away from the end to leave room for the orange paint on the tips. Regular hands have the lume closer to the ends and so just won't work (unless I forgo the orange tips).

After removing the old lume, I might be able to clean and polish the hands with an eraser? They then can be relumed, and the orange tips renewed with the same orange marker that was used on the dial?

The seconds hand was either originally fluorescent orange or red. I've found that going over a faded seconds hand with a permanent marker of the appropriate color works every time.

BRACELET
I've got a NOS razor bracelet waiting in the wings!

SUGGESTIONS

In the past, the best restoration ideas have come from crowd-sourcing the forum. Recently I restored a badly scratched dial with suggestions from forum members.

Then as now, any ideas or suggestions would be appreciated.

Thanks


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Try the colouring on an old dial after market dial first
often NOS dials come up for sale or you can have a dial reprinted - not to sure about the inner bezel
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Nice score for $47. It looks like that dial is going to be better than you think once you look under that crystal. The orange highlighter looks like it might work out well. The ink will bleed into the lume with it so be careful there. The lume will suck it up like a sponge. Those hands might not be too shabby either.
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bloody watches: I have a faded rotating bezel from a Pogue that I'll try to dye with Rit.


zeke441: I think I'll scrape off the old lume before I use the marker.


Acidstain: Thanks for the correction. I'll order the right size crystal now.

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Nice score for $47. It looks like that dial is going to be better than you think once you look under that crystal. The orange highlighter looks like it might work out well. The ink will bleed into the lume with it so be careful there. The lume will suck it up like a sponge. Those hands might not be too shabby either.
I learned how to renew colored indices in a 2013 post by Fatthegreat, who performed this operation on an orange 5126-8120. He writes:

“FACE lift.....
For the face i have to brighten the ORANGE colour, and RE-Lume the dots ( to make it white and Fresh ) , Thinking for a while and >>> Artline HighLighter fluorescent Orange. That works Great!!, Hands as well.”




A highlighter… why not!

A Highlighter seems to me a very conservative approach. Highlighter ink is translucent, so you’re just adding pigment, reviving what is already present, as opposed to layering on, covering, or replacing, which is what you’d be doing if paints were used.

I'll be using the same Artline highlighter with orange fluorescent ink as Fatthegreat.
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I was playing with a yellow highlighter on the dial on the right. Both dials were about the same aged dull color, and it did bring some brightness back to it. Notice the 1 o'clock marker? That's how I know the lume will suck it up like a sponge. I'll figure out a method to restore, or find a decent dial at some point. I really do want to get that AM dial replaced in my 6002.

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A friend (a jeweler) who I asked advice from offered to give it a shot. I let him, and today he sends me a pic.

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Your friend has the touch. It looks very promising! Do you know what he did?
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Your friend has the touch. It looks very promising! Do you know what he did?
He used an orange magic marker from the Dollar Store on the bezel (seriously), cleaned up the hands with an eraser, and relumed them along with markers.

One problem is that the corrosion was so bad on the hands that when he polished them with the eraser, it revealed the brass under the chrome plating.

I'm considering replacing them with this pair of AM chronograph hands.



They appear to be long enough on the ends to accommodate the orange paint.
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Be interesting to see a pic in focus, hopefully it turned out ok.
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Wow , wow , love it ,
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