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Old 03-17-2018, 06:14 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is my first post so I wanted to make an introduction, thanks several members here, show my successes as a result of the information they have posted in the past, and ask a few questions.

My name is Brent and I'm an engineer (electrical). I started wearing a watch in college, needing to know the time for when classes were starting, etc. I had some cheap plastic timex I'm sure, maybe several. Fast forward a few years, and I'm in the working world, and going on vacation (sailing and diving) in either the Grenadines or BVI. We had just arrived, and would be heading out the next day on our bare boat. I was a relatively newly minted diver, and had a dive computer, but had also oogled the cool citizen dive watches in the dive shop, even searched online for the price.

At some point shortly after our arrival, I noticed that the cheap watch had died. I walked into 'town' to see if something was available. To my surprise, there was a fairly burgeoning jewelry market there (I guess because vacationing women like to get some sort of 'keepsake' and husbands tend to cave on vacation). I peeked in one and the owner had several citizens, and one exactly like I had looked up on the internet. I was tempted, but I believed the price was higher, and being a tightwad, I wanted to ensure I got a good deal. The lady asked if I was interested, and I told her I was but I thought I could do better online. I distinctly recall knowing that the price online was $299. I recall her price was about $350.

She told me that she wouldn't be beat, pulled out a laptop, opened up "Netscape" and told me to find the price. This was about 1997 or 98, down in the islands, on a landline connection, and I recall that the internet was SLOW!. But I found what I was looking for, she said "OK", and I handed her my credit card. I walked out proud of my new Citizen Aqualand - one of the first 'nice' things I had ever bought myself. I went on to enjoy a fantastic week of sailing and diving.

I remember coming home, having some buddies over to the farm I lived on, and drinking beer. One of them pointed to the watch and remarked something complementary about it. I recall acknowledging and saying something to the effect of "It's the best dive watch you can buy", to which my other buddy corrected me with "You mean the best dive watch you can buy for under a thousand bucks." Which, while technically correct, didn't necessarily preclude the accuracy of my initial claim. 20 years later, I might challenge his statement more directly, because this has been one hell of a watch.

The Citizen Aqualand might be a cool looking watch, but I have always bought things based on their utility. I also rarely buy things just to have them. They tend to be bought and used. I have acquired a lot of tools in my life, but I use them, and while I don't abuse them, and I do maintain things fairly well, I generally use things hard. My association with guns is similar- they are just tools - I don't have a lot, I have some to serve specific purposes.
I never babied this watch. In fact, I almost never took it off. I'm pretty sure that it might have stayed on my wrist for years at a time. When I did, it was to replace the band or change the batteries, and I recall always being a bit embarrassed about the amount of soap scum or dirt that had accumulated in its crevices. The watch had a hard life frankly. The crystal became scratched and had weld splatter marks in it. But it never stopped.

I went through many bands with it. I recall that the rubber (dive watch) bands would last for quite some time and then rapidly crack and fail. I'm pretty sure it must have been due to some chemical or solvent I occasionally came in contact with - gasoline most likely. But I after several years, having the bands fail like this on several occasions, I began to periodically take it off to check the band. Turning it inside out, if a crack was revealed, it was time to replace it. I bought about 5 of the rubber bands of ebay once and slowly cycled through them. I nearly lost the watch several times when some combination of pressure and twisting would unseat the spring bar.

I did dive with the watch several times, but I never really used it for that purpose because I always had a computer with a larger display and better features. There is however, one feature of this watch that really endeared me two it - the ability to set two different clocks. From 2002 to 2005, I worked extensively in the Antarctic aboard a research vessel. On the boat, we would operate from two time systems. Our daily lives were synched with local time to attempt have some normalcy with regular daylight hours (not always practical in the Antarctic where the amount and time of daylight is highly determined by one's latitude and location). But our science systems always ran off GMT, and I was regularly checking GMT time while working with instrument systems. So I'd set the analog watch to local, and the digital to GMT. Your average watch would not do that and moreover, if it did, it was a digital watch (which I didn't care for) and it wouldn't display both time zones at once.

Fast forward a few years, and I noticed that the battery changes seemed to come more often. I had at one point ordered some additional case screws and a new case back gasket from citizen. Then, as my email record indicates, in 2008, the watched stopped working. I sent it to citizen and they wouldn't work on it. They didn't seem to understand that this was MY watch. It had been all over the planet on my wrist, and I wanted this one back, working. They offered me a 50% discount on a new watch which I thought was crap. I asked them to ship it back to me. I pulled the model number off the back, and put it in a box with the few spare parts I had previously bought. And I went and bought one exactly like it off ebay for about $50 (we'll call this "#2"). I wore the second watch up until about a year ago, when it too stopped. And I bought another cheap watch (Timex Expedition) for $30 off amazon last September.

About a week ago, I was fixing up an old hot tub. Testing some things, etc. Hands in and out of the water, expecting this cheesy watch to be there, ticking away, just like I had learned the old Citizen Aqualand always would. I went to check the time and saw it was full of water. Somewhere, somehow, in my regular banging around, the crown had come off, and the watch had filled with water. I could have fixed most likely, but what's the point. I would have had to plug the crown hole and daylight savings would have been a pain.

So I looked for a new watch and ordered a cheap Citizen Diver Eco-Drive for $150. For as little time as the Timex had lasted, it would pay for itself quickly. And, I thought about the old original Aqualand in the box. I went back on the internet and poked around. When it had died, I researched extensively how to take it apart and repair it. There was very little information available on it in 2008. I never even found out how to remove the crown. I went into it as far as I was comfortable (I think I pulled the cover/gear keeper off the analog section, but with no luck, stopped there before I messed it up further. A lot has changed since then.

Nielio and Longbike have torn many of these apart, and been gracious enough to post photos and provide details on what to do, and how to do it. I started to get excited at the prospect of getting my old watch(es) running again. I ordered batteries. I ordered some bands. I started digging through boxes, looking for the old watch. I found the 'replacement' watch ("#2") first, and after about an hour, MY watch ("#1"). I fiddled and fiddled and finally got the crown out, and the movement. I cleaned the cases, wiped the sheen off the inside of the crystal. One watch had the batteries still in it, so I pulled them out and tested them - two were of course dead, but one read 1.57v, so I put it in the analog section of each watch. The 'replacement' watch second hand twitched but wouldn't go. I opened it again and gave the second hand a nudge as many have now suggested. It started to tick! I set it to GMT to check it in the morning.

(#1) "my" watch still would not move. The new batteries (Energizer 371's) arrived today, and I loaded both watches up with new batteries and reset them. The #2 watch had stopped again in the night, but I didn't really know how much current drive that old battery had. With the new batteries and band, "#2" is on my wrist, keeping time. It may still need some work.

With new batteries, "#1" still did nothing. I pushed the second hand a few times, and loosened the analog gear cover screws slightly. The second hand has started to twitch. Somewhere in there, it's trying to go. I need some additional info before I dig into it again, which I'll put in a subsequent post, with my other question.

But a big "Thank You" to Neilio, Longbike, and the_shovel. The info you guys have posted got me this far, and I'm confident that I can get both of these going again. The only downside is I now find myself looking for more of these, for parts mostly I guess. If I can get them going, I can keep them going, and I'll give one each to my kids someday. But not until after these have amassed a lot more adventures and memories.

BTW, the amazon man just dropped off the new replacement eco-drive divers, looks like I may not need it if I get these going ;-)

Attached is a pic of these two old dogs, #1 on the left, #2 on the right.

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Old 03-17-2018, 11:07 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Can't help on the watch.
I understand about Antarctica though. Spent 13 months there 1978/79. Yep, that includes the winter. In Mcmurdo.
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An excellent first post that was, thank you I enjoyed reading that.. It'd be good to see you get #1 ticking again and as for both watches it sounds as though dried, congealed oil is the issue and the circuit etc are fine.
Welcome to SCWF aswell.

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Great story. I'm sure you'll get them going as "where there is a will - there is a way"
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Now thats how to do an introduction! Really enjoyed that. As Guy said, sounds like they both need a good service more than anything else. Looking forward to seeing wrist shots of #1 in the not too distant future!


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Can't help on the watch.
I understand about Antarctica though. Spent 13 months there 1978/79. Yep, that includes the winter. In Mcmurdo.
When men were men! That must have been a fascinating time! I think you'd be shocked how McMurdo has changed. Basically similar to a large remote mining camp with all modern conveniences. I bet you've got some stories to tell.

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When men were men! That must have been a fascinating time! I think you'd be shocked how McMurdo has changed. Basically similar to a large remote mining camp with all modern conveniences. I bet you've got some stories to tell.

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I can say that I have walked around the world while wearing my 6105-8110, one afternoon.
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Aloha Sir,

Hi Antarctica and glad to meet you, I am Louis / LongBike from Honolulu, Hawaii ,

Good post and hope I was off some help in the postings of ....The Aqualand's. If you have any problems and I can be of more help please message me and we can work it out if needed. They look great there and glad you are another collector of them.
You might also want to acknowledge Forum Member ...Sir Les .... also because we learned much from him also many things about these Aqualands.
He is a great giver of valuable information to many of them also.

I also am glad that you got them going again and also remember I have found that they have some problems when in .....Cold Areas I have noticed from other wanting information about it. The Cold has some effects on them I have been told. Bit once you get them going they should be just fine.
There are many different models of them also if found and many great looking to behold also.
Aloha and welcome to ...... Aqualand Paradise,

Louis / LongBike and I am also another Aqualand Addict

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Thanks Longbike - I'm glad you ran across my thread.

I did work up another post with specific questions, but it hasn't shown up yet - i presume its still in 'moderation' (possibly because I'm new and it has an attached image??). If it doesn't post in another day or so, I'll type it in again.

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Thanks Longbike - I'm glad you ran across my thread.

I did work up another post with specific questions, but it hasn't shown up yet - i presume its still in 'moderation' (possibly because I'm new and it has an attached image??). If it doesn't post in another day or so, I'll type it in again.

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Aloha Brent ,
Ok that be fine and if you need assistance still let us know.
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Well, its been a couple days since I submitted my last post and it hasn't popped out of 'moderation'. I'll try again tonight.
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Can't seem to get this to post. Have tried multiple times:

OK Second attempt on the question post. Hopefully Ill capture everything that was in the first one. Ill to this one without any attached image so it hopefully goes unmoderated this time.

1) Several on the posts I have researched by the folks named in my first post indicated that doing a clean and lube to the analog section would more than likely get it going.
a. What is involved in a clean and lube?
b. How far in do you go? What exactly should I remove from the movement?
c. Does anyone have any pictures of how to do that? The only detailed photos I have seen of that just show the backing plate removed and one of the gears removed?
d. How should the parts be cleaned? Can I just rinse them (removed from watch movement) in alcohol? Is there some other recommended solvent?
e. What type of lube oils are acceptable?
f. This is the best description I have found of dealing with the analog section:

https://www.thewatchsite.com/21-japan...leakage-2.html

2) Parts
a. Crystal. I may not change the crystal, as the battle scars on the current crystals are partially what make each of these mine, but Id like to source and procure new crystals for the time in the future that Id like to change them. I understand that crystal of the reissue model JP2000-08E Aqualand is a direct replacement: C520-S044898. I think I found that the original crystal part number was 54-L5374F. Finally, Ive read a generic 30.8mm x 2.5mm crystal is correct. Can anyone confirm the above? Does anyone know if the original crystal was mineral glass or sapphire?
b. Case Back Gasket. While Im at it Id like to change the case back gasket does anyone on the board have a hoar of these they be willing to part with a few, or is there some other source for these other than the guy on Israel (Im not changing them for $50 each).
c. Screws. Anyone have a source for them? I guess these are pretty commonly used by Citizen, and they probably have some, although Ill probably pay a fortune. I recall readying that they were 1.6mm diameter and 2.5mm thread length. Can anyone confirm? I can validate the length (when I go out to my shop to get mics), but not the pitch. Does anyone have a US source for them (in a decent grade of stainless) other than Citizen?

Thats about it for now. I probably forgot a few things that were in my other post, but I guess if they are important, I will remember them.

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Finally. I don' know what is wrong. The above post and a similar version were lost (never posted after submission) multiple times.

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Finally. I don' know what is wrong. The above post and a similar version were lost (never posted after submission) multiple times.

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Aloha Sir,
Anarctica,
Like I have said if you need any more help to get these and others going just let us know about it we will try to help where needed.
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Hi Longbike -

Anything you can do to answer the questions in my post #13 above would be great. If not, I don't mind going it alone, just trying to gather as much info as possible prior to digging in.
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Hi Antarctica,
Hey this is my email if you want to get more pictures and discussions going.
This be easier for now so I can explain more to you and pictures.
No problem just get to me and we go from there.

Email is : [email protected] that's all needed .
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