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Old 06-30-2016, 09:09 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Ebay 6309-7049 with trashed threads finally together - now with Lume!!

Well, all of the parts have arrived and this overpriced empty case is now together in watch form again. I will be installing a new crystal, but I am leaving the rest of it as original as possible with the exception of the hands which were too ugly to save. As some of you may recall, the issue was the trashed tube and threads.

I was able to straighten and reshape the tube with only having to file 1mm from the end. The mangled threads I re-cut and now have 2.5 turns on the crown to lock. You also may recall that my intense cheapness was what led to this case in the first place, and discovering the trashed tube. And let me say, this has the most positive bezel click I have ever felt. I love that! I now have an ugly (but original mostly), running, wearable 6309 that should be waterproof with a new caseback gasket at less than current market value. I have about $200.00 CDN into this, so not bad given what I see selling on Ebay with aftermarket dials, etc.

Also pictured is the Golden Funa I am working on for the next project. Gold plating kit to come as well as new parts. Yes, that is a 6309 crown on a 7002 case. I continue to do such things.....
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Old 07-01-2016, 02:24 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Absolutely fantastic!

You've saved another cushion case and made it into a respectable watch once again!

Seemed like you kept hitting a wall there for awhile but it's good to see this one done.

I would really like to know more about this golden funa though. Looks quite promising.

Will be interesting to see how the coating turns out too.

Keep on modding!

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Very nice! Can you tell me a little more about how you recut the threads?
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Old 07-02-2016, 10:39 PM   #4 (permalink)
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The Golden Funa is a 6139 based Tuna in a 7002 case. I had just slapped the movement together that day with temporary stem until I cut a proper one to length. It has a genuine Tuna dial and MM300 hands from Jake (this is the one I was after the Tuna hands for). Did you know that the 7C whatever that the dial is made for has the same feet location as the 63XX? It does, the dial fit right to the movement. I nearly pooped myself, I remember reading something about that once but I wasn't sure if it would actually be so.

As it turns out, the 7002 crown threads are the same as the 5mm Rolex threads. This gives you some interesting options for fitting crowns, hence the 6309 crown on there. I still need to order the crystal and insert and plating kit. I have screws for the shroud already. I actually have another case on the way as well, since I was a little too aggressive with the grinder on this one.

The plating kit does 24K gold, I plan to bead blast (somehow) the bezel and crown to get what I want out of the plating. We'll see how that goes.
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Very nice! Can you tell me a little more about how you recut the threads?

You know, I see so many threads out there about how once the tube is trashed you throw the case out or need some magic tools to chase them that I wonder if I really want to reveal my secret. It seems like no one really tries to salvage these, except for that one awesome cat that made a whole new tube assembly from scratch, whom I have great respect for.

Ah screw it, first I straightened/rounded the tube with a screwdriver (by hammering it in) then I bought the hardest, cheapest stainless AM crown I could find and made a die out of it. There was a lot of patient pushing and screwing (haha!) in of the crown until it ultimately bottomed out and left me full turns to lock. Runs smooth as silk too Quite shocking actually, I am excited to dunk it in the toilet to test the seal (once the caseback gasket comes in).

Quite frankly it was so easy that I can't quite figure out why more of these haven't been saved. Yes, if the threads are stripped right off you aren't fixing them but ones that were cross threaded and mashed by pliers can probably be brought back. I was initially totally crushed to the point of requesting a refund when this one arrived, but finally decided to try something with it. And it worked

Of course, I also drill crown tubes out with a full size drill to convert to twinlock, and take cases to the bench grinder for Funa-cation, so I am still the biggest hack going on here. And just lately I don't mind that so much anymore
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You're freaking amazing! Genius!

Your risky behavior should be applauded!

I suppose that if I had received a case like that, I would have wanted to try something with it too.

I think you remember that I bought several spare cushion cases last year and there was one that wouldn't accept a crown to full length. It would only go on about half way.

After a couple months, I took it down to a friend's machine shop and just as we were about to try chasing the threads, he just twists the crown right on.

It seemed like there was a slight metal burr on the case tube threads and it finally worked it's way smooth again.

So...huge relief and it's all together and working fine now.

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Default Not being one to leave well enough alone....

Since I had some lume already mixed for the Citizen (and I hate wasting it), I figured I would scrape off the lumpy mess from the 6309 and give it a go. Actually, it was pretty smooth going which surprised me! I thought the lack of recessed on the markers would drag the lume everywhere, but it stayed right where it needed to be. I even did the hands again, all with everything installed and pulling back the applicator every 60 seconds That watchlume.com stuff aint bad at all once you throw away their binder and figure out something else to use.

This dial looks SO much better now. And it's extra glowy I have finally (I think) figured out the nearly perfect consistency for lume, so this opens a lot more doors for restorations.
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Nicely done! Your work is reaching a new level alltogether.

Thinking about trying my hand at lume as well.

Saving that challenge for an undisclosed date in the future.

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Very nice neat lumejob!
What do you use to apply it? An old oiler?

I bought watchlume.com stuff a year ago but now I use Zuper Paint glow powder from Kilabitzzz. To my eye it glows brighter and longer but I'm struggling to find a compatible binder. I use to use Humbrol AC5601 Modelcote 28ml Matt Cote.
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Default I have gone Lume Crazy today!!!

And I gave the last bit to the Funa... The consistency was perfect!!!
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Nicely done! Your work is reaching a new level alltogether.

Thinking about trying my hand at lume as well.

Saving that challenge for an undisclosed date in the future.

Mike
Do it Mike, it's all in the supplies. The right mix and it basically lumes itself. I've been doing hands for years, and recessed markers, but smooth or painted ones I could never make happen. Until today.....
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Very nice neat lumejob!
What do you use to apply it? An old oiler?

I bought watchlume.com stuff a year ago but now I use Zuper Paint glow powder from Kilabitzzz. To my eye it glows brighter and longer but I'm struggling to find a compatible binder. I use to use Humbrol AC5601 Modelcote 28ml Matt Cote.

Thanks!!

I do use an oiler, a black very small one. I used to shave down toothpicks but the oiler does work the best on this type of job. Toothpicks work for most everything else, just not this dial work.

I am using Minwax Diamond Hard glass acrylic furniture finish, and mixing it very thick with Lume powder. You can very the consistency depending on what you are doing, for these thick is good, for recessed stuff thin seems better.
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