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Old 04-20-2010, 02:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Default Review of vintage Orient King Diver 1000M

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I recently had lunch with long time forumer Robert Backstrom and he loaned me his Orient "King Diver" 1000m watch to take home and evaluate. I have done some researching and forumer Ryan did several posts on this watch in the past. Here are links to some:

http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index...&id=1030667474
http://www.larrybiggs.net/scwf/index...&id=1008559669

The "King Diver" was apparently released after 1965 and retailed for 18,500 yen. The version I have right now has 27 jewels but the version relased in 1965 had 30 jewels.

Anyways this is a very interesting watch with a handwinding movement. When the crown is pressed in (this is not a screwdown crown) the crown turns freely. In the "second" position you can change the time, and in the "third position" (all the way out) you can handwind the movement. I have yet to figure out how to independently change the day or date.




Please excuse the poor pics as I took them outside a few weeks ago and was without my camera until recently. If I learn more information about this watch I might put together a little FAQ for it.

Being an older diver it is quite small compared to today's divers. From reading Ryan's earlier posts about this watch apparently there is only one gasket with the crown so this watch is really only a "sports" watch in that it can probably only go to 100m or so. No way this one is going to the depths of a 6215 or 6159 diver as a contemporary example.

I thought it might be of interest to contrast the watch against my 62MAS in terms of size and features as well as the modern SKX031.

For a sense of perspective here is a pic of the King Diver, 62MAS, and SKX031:

Here's the "tale of the tape" or widths including crown if you will...



By today's standards this is one dimunitive watch...

Now without crown:



And lug width:



Two classics side by side:



But can a 1000m rated watch compare to the Marine Master? Let's find out!



These pics are interesting as the MM isn't that far off size wise to its "Grandfather" the 6159-700x. In this context I think the 62MAS is more of a comparable to the King Diver than the 6159-700x despite the depth rating.

For diving I can see the value to a hand wound movement as you could give it a bit of a wind before going under the water. Then again a few quick shakes of an auto and you should be good to go! The "countdown" on the King Diver's bezel might be more useful to some divers than the one on the 62MAS.

The Orient is a very interesting watch. I believe that it is a friction operated bezel assembly; but it is presently stuck and I have no desire to mess around with such a rare and historic piece. The caseback is beautifully decorated and there is some really nice text and contours to it. Unfortunately I am doing this review away from home so I will need to snag some better pics and some caseback ones. I should also take some closer shots of the dial.

So, in a sense this is a "preview" of my Orient 1000m King Diver "Review".

Any one have one of these vintage beauties or have any idea of value?
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In case you haven't been there already, for your info there's a pic of an ad from 1970 featuring this watch by the looks of it on the official Orient museum site (go to the 'Ad' tab). Unfortunately the pics on this site are small and although you can zoom in, the resolution is then poor. Also the 'caliber history' part is "coming soon"....

http://www.orient-watch.jp/feature/museum/

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Old 03-20-2013, 10:41 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Is orient the same as citizen?
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Is orient the same as citizen?
More along the lines of Seiko. Many of their vintage models housed a version of a Seiko caliber movement. If I'm not mistaken I believe Seiko owns 51% or 52% of the company today. I could be wrong about that though.
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Is orient the same as citizen?

they are not the same, recently seiko bought orient shares
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they are not the same, recently seiko bought orient shares

Seiko has owned all of orient for several years now. Orient is a wholly owned subsidiary of seiko.
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Seiko has owned all of orient for several years now. Orient is a wholly owned subsidiary of seiko.

i see, so seiko seems doesn't have hidden agenda to buy orient shares...
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, very nice all of them. Good to have a collection of older, old and new'er, because what is a collection with out all kinds of watchs.
Heck when one does not have to many ............. " They all look great right ".
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great review...I used to have one of then on original bracelet...very cool watch
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great review...I used to have one of then on original bracelet...very cool watch
Just curious if you have the original bracelet photos?

I always thought they came on rubber?
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Here is a photo of my recent acquisition:



This is surely one rare interesting beast!
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If anyone has the original crown or caseback, I would love to have it!

This is the only 2 things missing from this sweetie!


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This is surely one rare interesting beast!
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thanks for the review!
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Real 1000 meters?
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Great review, nice watches.
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Love it - wish they'd re-issue it.
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Nice to see a beautiful Orient 1000m diver.

I have a few Orient divers and I love them all, but my orange Beast is my favorite.

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Kinda small. a bit disappointed with the size.

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Hello to everybody,
If still to need to figure out how to independently change the day and date, I have an idea from the early 70's, when the quick date change did not exist.
Move the hands over 12 o'clock with the crown until both the day&date changing, than turn the crown back until cc 6 o'clock. Most probably only the date(if I remember correctly) will change back, the day remains the same.
I hope it works.
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very nice example for an 50 years watch, and now is a very sought after orient watch.
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Nice.. Thanks for sharing .. Didn't know it's so small.. But it's cool for sure


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Just for info regard the date-day change method.

I had this watch for years now and will give it more wrist time it deserves.

Date- 2nd click of crown rotate from 8pm to 12am and repeat till desired date.

Day- move the hands counter clockwise via normal time adjust of crown till desired day. Date will keep still.

A rather tiring process.
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Got this not Long ago .. Seems huge for a vintage


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a bit too small for my taste but has the looks to be a daily wear
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