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Old 11-25-2018, 01:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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What do you guys think of the new Dawn Grey Series? I'm looking for a Seiko that's increasing its value over time and it looks like the new Turtle and Samurai are being sold already with a premium increase over the price tag but under 1000€. Would you pick one? The Turtle looks great on the wrist.

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In general, it is hard to predict which watch will increase in value especially new ones. It is more easier on the vintage ones. In regard of Seiko itself, they made so many Limited Editions that it is no guarantee that their price will increase in the future. Based on my own experience, the discontinued models have more chance to increase in value if it become sought after. In any case, go for Made In Japan if you want to collect.
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All these limited and special edition watches are not "Special" in their own right, just a marketing ploy by Seiko to try to shift units by trying to create watches to appeal to the collector rather than investor.

I doubt the Dawn Grey (or any of the others) are worth investing in for the short term. Look at the 62MAS and 6105 etc, OK they are costly to collect now but it's taken 40-50 years to get there, and the 6105/62MAS/6309's etc are just what they are and not confused and diluted by hundreds of variations.

The potential investment value of contemporary Seiko watches seems to be distorted by the people who buy all the limited stock from AD's and then mark them up on Ebay etc, so unless you are lucky enough to bag a watch from an AD the cost of acquisition means value goes down before it goes up.

The Dawn grey Turtle and Samurai are K model European market only so I doubt if they are made in Japan.

I will be dead before any of my watches could possibly yield a decent return so with Seiko watches I feel it is best to buy and collect what you like and if you want to make money, work harder
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All these limited and special edition watches are not "Special" in their own right, just a marketing ploy by Seiko to try to shift units by trying to create watches to appeal to the collector rather than investor.

I doubt the Dawn Grey (or any of the others) are worth investing in for the short term. Look at the 62MAS and 6105 etc, OK they are costly to collect now but it's taken 40-50 years to get there, and the 6105/62MAS/6309's etc are just what they are and not confused and diluted by hundreds of variations.

The potential investment value of contemporary Seiko watches seems to be distorted by the people who buy all the limited stock from AD's and then mark them up on Ebay etc, so unless you are lucky enough to bag a watch from an AD the cost of acquisition means value goes down before it goes up.

The Dawn grey Turtle and Samurai are K model European market only so I doubt if they are made in Japan.

I will be dead before any of my watches could possibly yield a decent return so with Seiko watches I feel it is best to buy and collect what you like and if you want to make money, work harder
Hi Mike,

I have had the pleasure of reading many threads during these past three years. Your last sentence really resonates the true meaning of what living is all about.
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I will be dead before any of my watches could possibly yield a decent return so with Seiko watches I feel it is best to buy and collect what you like and if you want to make money, work harder
That should be copied out by a calligrapher on vellum, framed, and hung on the wall above my desk.
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And I still don’t like the “X” on the dial!
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I really like mine but I picked it up in a Europe from an AD for the list price. I could flip it and make a profit for sure but that isn’t my intention. Will it be worth more in perpetuity, tough to say.




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Ask yourself this, do you like it? If so, then buy it. Everything else is rudimentary and irrelevant.
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Believe what you want but generally speaking people don't buy/collect Seiko for investment.
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All these limited and special edition watches are not "Special" in their own right, just a marketing ploy by Seiko to try to shift units by trying to create watches to appeal to the collector rather than investor.

I doubt the Dawn Grey (or any of the others) are worth investing in for the short term. Look at the 62MAS and 6105 etc, OK they are costly to collect now but it's taken 40-50 years to get there, and the 6105/62MAS/6309's etc are just what they are and not confused and diluted by hundreds of variations.

The potential investment value of contemporary Seiko watches seems to be distorted by the people who buy all the limited stock from AD's and then mark them up on Ebay etc, so unless you are lucky enough to bag a watch from an AD the cost of acquisition means value goes down before it goes up.

The Dawn grey Turtle and Samurai are K model European market only so I doubt if they are made in Japan.

I will be dead before any of my watches could possibly yield a decent return so with Seiko watches I feel it is best to buy and collect what you like and if you want to make money, work harder
I appreciate your post and the last portion especially. Well said sir, well said.
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I am not too keen on the re issues especially these turtles at the moment they just make me want and original all the more. If treated as just a watch in its own right then i quite like them if that makes sense.
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Collectible? Sure! Just not something to invest in as others have already stated. There will always be guy somewhere down the road who learns of the "Great Dawn Grey LE Series of 2018" and wants one.


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I really like those Samurais, especially the dial treatment.


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The Sammie is a beautiful Watch, I like the grey/orange finish.
Mine is older, I love it !


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The Zimbe9 is cool too


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@AlfaSpirit, that one is fantastic !
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Had the Samurai but didn’t bond with it. I decided I didn’t care for the orange accents. I think the Turtle has a better look and might hold its value as it seems a more popular size than the Samurai.
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What do you guys think of the new Dawn Grey Series? I'm looking for a Seiko that's increasing its value over time and it looks like the new Turtle and Samurai are being sold already with a premium increase over the price tag but under 1000€. Would you pick one? The Turtle looks great on the wrist.

https://www.horbiter.com/en/seiko-pr...ition-watches/
IMO you cannot create collectibility - it has to occur naturally. We've seen industry after industry try to create "collectible" items and fail miserably. "Limited Edition" items are rarely worth their premium. I buy watches because I like them, never for a hoped for, future value.
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IMO you cannot create collectibility - it has to occur naturally. We've seen industry after industry try to create "collectible" items and fail miserably. "Limited Edition" items are rarely worth their premium. I buy watches because I like them, never for a hoped for, future value.


I agree (even as a Dawn Grey owner). The one exception is Rolex. Some how they have managed to create “artificial scarcity” with their SS sports models. Drives me a bit batty.


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IMO you cannot create collectibility - it has to occur naturally. We've seen industry after industry try to create "collectible" items and fail miserably. "Limited Edition" items are rarely worth their premium. I buy watches because I like them, never for a hoped for, future value.


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Agreed - often collectible items come by accident or from a later discovery of true rarity (accident or low sales volumes at the time).
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Dawn Greys (Samurai and Turtle) were both produced in quantities of 2,018 watches.

Therefore they will become 'collectable' due to their low volume production.

They may not become classics nor highly sought after, but I think will always have collectors seeking one or the other or both for time to come.
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I don' t know if this SEIKO will be collectible,


My new Turtle Blue Lagoon is ''Limited Edition'' engraved on the back


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