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Old 07-29-2017, 11:19 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Default SLA017: Thoughts so far.

We understand some will buy an LE simply because. Others will buy because of the coverage a particular model gets, and the sla has been the most written about watch this year.
So, From what we've already seen from owners, do you think the watch is surpassing expectations of both the faithful Seiko nuts as well as casual buyers?
I, for one, think Seiko got this one right. I was ready to move if I wasn't impressed with it upon arrival and suspect it's had the same effect on others. What are your thoughts?

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Old 08-02-2017, 02:09 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Ok, I'll be the first to reply.
Come on guys, what's the consensus, you don't have to own one. Are you glad that Seiko did this reissue?
I like this watch but I suspect from a different angle than most. I'll be to the point, for all it's significance I've never liked the original, I'm not a serious collector, just buy what I'm attracted to. But I'm very happy with the sla, it's gorgeous, I had studied pictures and liked what I saw, but way better in the metal. It was a no brainer for me, if I didn't get along with it i was ready to move it and finally go after a BBB, a 16610 or a no date 14060. I know I can easily move it if I wanted to, but at this time wanting to keep. I honestly didn't expect I would have this reaction, and interested what others thought or have observed.

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I think it is of course a lovely watch. And Seiko got a reissue out there that actually did a great job at paying homage to the original, unlike maybe the srp range did, although priced well and a great successor to the skx. Certain aspects of it I don't like, but that's been discussed at length.

That said I think it's more a symbol of the new breed of collector who likes to show off the cost of their watches and supposed rarity in a way, it's like belonging to an exclusive club or something where only the elite can play. That's just how I see it, and I think most of those types of people are thankfully members of wus than here or WS. I think someone else said that many of the buyers would have shunned the brand a year or two ago until the hype of YouTube videos and hodinkee articles took a hold and I imagine there is some truth in that.

It's a lovely looking watch, but I also think the 62mas is ridiculously overrated at the moment, apart from maybe the very rare daini versions I just don't see it. I had two about a year or two ago and sold them straight away. I only regret it from a price point of view, which really doesn't matter... The prices people are paying for what are really worn and in my opinion quite poor looking examples leaves me cold now though. Just look at the 6105, there are tonnes of them but people keep paying through the nose for not very good examples. And the sla017 is linked to that in mind, unfortunately, and that is just how I see it. Many people will have bought one or two or three of these with a view to making a bit of money, but then who can blame them!? That's just the way Seiko has started to be recently for the followers. But it skews the perception of value for money somewhat, especially when people just buy buy buy 6105s and 6217s etc to hoard with this in mind, and I'm sure that happens.

For me, if Seiko had released this as a non limited edition, it could have done even better and it would have taken the investment collector out of the game and that would have been a beneficial thing imo. They didn't and I understand why. They tapped into the awareness that has come from forums like this, from members with genuine passion and knowledge, and timed it perfectly.

I would love to see the day soon for a non ltd edition version to came out that looked nigh on the same but with a differently stamped caseback and different movement. That ain't gonna happen, though.

I just hope they get any future reissues out of this bs ltd edition trend as I believe if it was to be the 6105 it would settle the playing field and not piss many people off.

Lastly, enjoy the watch Reynaldo because it clearly is a lovely thing, and I of course would like to be able to afford one, it's a shame that if I was to save I would have less of a chance because of the numbers out there though.
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WOW, perhaps the thing that surprises me most at this point is the lack of response here. I think the original 62MAS is a nice looking watch as diver/tool watches go. There are other less, desirable divers from a collecting standpoint that appeal to me more. It was the perfect model to do a reissue of in my opinion.The SLA is beautiful, all on its own merits. Obviously, the 62MAS was not originally intended as a watch you wear to dinner but instead a piece of equipment the avid diver used. Now that is not to say it wasn't worn by the sportsman on a regular basis back in the day. The SLA on the other hand, is not the tool watch the 62MAS was and that may be one thing that bothers the purist. I have read that some who love the 62MAS, think of the SLA as a fashion bastard, a sort of blingy representation of the original tool watch. There is no question that by creating this 300 piece LE, at this price point, $3600.00 last I saw, Seiko has aimed it's sales at a select few. It is simply beyond the means of the common enthusiast, which is sad. If they were to create an homage to the SLA or a reasonably priced homage to the 62MAS and price it in line with albeit slightly above the turtle reissues, I believe it would sell like hotcakes.
I think it all boils down to the interests of 2 separate crowds. On one hand, the 62MAS collectors love the idea of owning a piece of Seikos original history. A piece of original horological significance akin to an arrowhead or a clear glass Coke bottle. And on the other hand you have millions thinking to themselves, "that's a cool LE watch that will lose its value once you wear it, I sure wish they would make one I can afford". Seiko made a few collectors happy but missed the true mark of pleasing the masses and selling a ton of watches. Well, it keeps us hoping that something cool may be the next thing released.
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Agreed chrono. Only not 300 but 2000 I think. Although I bet 300 people own all two thousand...

Plus the lack of responses might be because people take too much offence if it gets criticism so it stifled conversation.
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I love the watch, and wish I had the spare cash to have bought one. But even at full price or more, it's only a little puppy in overall watch collecting terms. There are plenty of people out there who collect Rolex, Omega, Patek etc who would look at the cost of this and wonder why it was so cheap.
So for Seiko, good move. For me, less so, and I hope this isn't the way of things to come. (But I suspect it is).
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I'll suggest the lack of responses is because very very few of the members here own one, or have the ready means to do so. Thus we're not interested in contemplating whether we'll keep or flip our non-existent SLA017.
It actually the question strikes me as a little tasteless, and a better place to ask might be WUS, where there appears to be a much bigger crowd of SLA017/9 buyers.


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I think it is of course a lovely watch. And Seiko got a reissue out there that actually did a great job at paying homage to the original, unlike maybe the srp range did, although priced well and a great successor to the skx. Certain aspects of it I don't like, but that's been discussed at length.

That said I think it's more a symbol of the new breed of collector who likes to show off the cost of their watches and supposed rarity in a way, it's like belonging to an exclusive club or something where only the elite can play. That's just how I see it, and I think most of those types of people are thankfully members of wus than here or WS. I think someone else said that many of the buyers would have shunned the brand a year or two ago until the hype of YouTube videos and hodinkee articles took a hold and I imagine there is some truth in that.

It's a lovely looking watch, but I also think the 62mas is ridiculously overrated at the moment, apart from maybe the very rare daini versions I just don't see it. I had two about a year or two ago and sold them straight away. I only regret it from a price point of view, which really doesn't matter... The prices people are paying for what are really worn and in my opinion quite poor looking examples leaves me cold now though. Just look at the 6105, there are tonnes of them but people keep paying through the nose for not very good examples. And the sla017 is linked to that in mind, unfortunately, and that is just how I see it. Many people will have bought one or two or three of these with a view to making a bit of money, but then who can blame them!? That's just the way Seiko has started to be recently for the followers. But it skews the perception of value for money somewhat, especially when people just buy buy buy 6105s and 6217s etc to hoard with this in mind, and I'm sure that happens.

For me, if Seiko had released this as a non limited edition, it could have done even better and it would have taken the investment collector out of the game and that would have been a beneficial thing imo. They didn't and I understand why. They tapped into the awareness that has come from forums like this, from members with genuine passion and knowledge, and timed it perfectly.

I would love to see the day soon for a non ltd edition version to came out that looked nigh on the same but with a differently stamped caseback and different movement. That ain't gonna happen, though.

I just hope they get any future reissues out of this bs ltd edition trend as I believe if it was to be the 6105 it would settle the playing field and not piss many people off.

Lastly, enjoy the watch Reynaldo because it clearly is a lovely thing, and I of course would like to be able to afford one, it's a shame that if I was to save I would have less of a chance because of the numbers out there though.


Nicely said Guy!!
@tritto, yes, you're right. Title is kind of tasteless. Not what I meant, and not descriptive of my approach to watches. The show off aspect of watch forums is one thing I don't like. I'll change the title.




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Hey @Reynaldo. Maybe I reacted too strongly to the title. When I re-read your post I see that wasn't really what it was about. Please accept my apologies.
For what it's worth, I hope most of those who got one are deeply satisfied (especially the died in the wool Seiko collectors).
I get why Seiko positioned this where they did as a halo piece, but I do think they've missed their core constituency. Something in the $1000 to $1500 range (with maybe 5000 units) would have made it an aspirational piece for many Seiko collectors, without pricing it out of their reach.


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I don't mind the watch in its own right but Guy hits the points really. The original 62MAS has become valuable due to its history and its look, I personally love the original but of course get why people might not. I don't like the 6215 or 6105 at all visually but others do so looks are personal opinion.

Let's face it, if the 62MAS was selling as a crappy old diver for 200 used would people be rushing out to buy a bling'd up version for 3750? There'd be people ripping it apart. It's only there because of the provenance of the original but I feel it's a bit of an odd one.

The original being Seiko's first dive watch and the following 50years of their dive watch popularity (I actually think the SKX has a lot to do with getting Seiko to the masses of collectors) has made the 62MAS as valuable as it is. I for one don't begrudge their current value and when you see some of the crazy prices other watches are selling for they actually represent value in a way.

It's kind of like the housing market really, the 62MAS may sell now for over 2k but a lot of that is because a nice 5513 is 10k in the same way a 2 bed bungalow is 300k because people can see them as 'value' when a 4 bed detached might be 700k. In other words, it's all relative and if you want to sell your 62MAS and go up the property ladder to a more prestigious diver you're no better off still needing the same in percentage terms to swap up.


The new watch doesn't do it for me but I just don't get a super nice looking version of an old tool watch. It looks beautifully finished and high end but that isn't what the original is all about. I can understand why people would like it in its own right but I can't explain, the concept is just not right. Also the original (like or hate) is all about the indices being over size and square with that deep filled lume. The new one is totally missing that.

Be interesting to see what happens with their price in the short term. I actually think they will drop slightly in the short term when others get to grips with the whole mismatch of perfection and history. Interestingly I have seen one on tz sell for 500 below U.K. price he paid.


One thing that is annoying me in this day of expensive Seiko dive watches is the effect on other prices. I really like the SPB051 and you find yourself thinking "oh that's a lot cheaper" and then when I really think about it, I'm thinking what the hell am I doing looking at a Seiko mass produced beater that's 1000!
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No offense at all, not coming from you, thanks for the guidance.

I think these are exactly the responses I was looking for, thanks for the comments everyone. Keep them coming..
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What i dont like about the new one is how glossy it looks, especially the bezel. In my mind the 62MAS is a rigid toolwatch, not some blingy new watch. I dont own one, just going by what i see on the pictures.
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I really agree with what Guy said... I was at the AD and had a SLA017 in-hand and liked it a LOT but felt like the pricing was manipulated.

I had just purchased a SLA015 like-new for under $2500 (which I felt was a good deal), and was wearing my 114060 Sub at the time, so these were my reference points.

Having had 2 MM300's and a GS, I'm not a stranger to this price range of Seiko, but I just wasn't a fan of the hype on this one, and as I think Guy implied, I think it would have been better fan service for those of us who consistently support the brand to release this without the "collector's item" constraint.

P.S. Oh, and also with better regulation on that overrated 8L35. It took one round on the timegrapher to get my MM300 to +1 s/d average so not doing it at the factory for a low production unit is just lazy to me.


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Lucky for me my SLA017 is running in the single seconds per day. I agree that they should have taken the time to regulate each and every one of these LEs. Lazy is probably a good word.

Edit: got curious as to how well my SLA017 was after some run-in. Not sure what proper lift angle is, doesn't matter, how does flat line 0 sec/day sound ?

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I don't own one and I have never been that much into the 62mas/6217's, although I appreciate it for what it is and I definitely like its look. It's just that this watch doesn't push my buttons the same way other seiko dive watches do. Apart from that in my opinion the SLA017 is a very good looking homage to the original 6217-7001 (I am sure that Seiko could have done worse) and I would probably buy one if I could (easily) afford it, but at this price point there are so many other options (for me). Just my 2ct....
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Interesting topic, Ray. Thanks for posting. If I had the cash to buy a top-end Seiko, I'd probably get a Marinemaster over the SLA. Don't get me wrong, I love the look of the SLA, but I'd be tempted to baby it as a safe queen/limited-edition investment rather than wear, enjoy, and knock it around as a watch. The way I see it, the Marinemaster would provide a similar (same?) higher end movement in something a little more toolish and wearable. Just my $0.02, and glad to hear you're really enjoying your SLA.
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