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Old 11-10-2019, 02:03 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Newby here and apologize if OT or already covered, but I'm confused. After doing some research, was pretty sure I understood some telltale absolute signs of knock off vintage Seiko 5s. E.g., ones that say "Japan Made" and/or have no 4+4 digit movement/case code printed I bottom of dial; bands that say "Seiko Japan". But I'm seeing tons of these on eBay. Some have pics of open back showing what look like legit movements. Like this one.. https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F133012757856

Most seem to be 6309s

Fakes? Frankenwatches? Bad info I got?
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While the movement on that particular watch may be genuine, the rest is absolute garbage.

Numerous threads available here to assist you with identifying fakes
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Reflex, thanks so much for the quick reply. That's what I thought, but didn't want to jump to conclusions not having much experience. I bought it just as a curiosity, and the crystall fell right out and the dial is loose! Worth the lesson. Thanks again.
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Ricknose, While looking for good deals on Ebay it is safe to always remember that Ebay is nothing more than a service that brings a buyers and a sellers together. In general the service is a minefield of dishonest sellers looking to take advantage of a newly or uneducated buyer. There are areas around the world where many, many watches of questionable quality and pedigree (Franken watches, repainted and reprinted dials, casebacks that originally came from who knows where etc. etc.) Although there are honest sellers everywhere, they do congregate in large numbers in India, South America, China and Mexico among others. Every piece should be judged on it's own merits and it is always good to remember to "buy the seller" first. If the seller seems questionable in his watches and descriptions, perhaps you should hold off until you are more convinced. Descriptions with big words and terrible sentence structure with multiple typos and misspelled words should be a warning to you. Many versions of the same watch could be an assembly line of Franken pieces. Defer to your common sense, too few people exercise it these days. Unless you have money to burn or risk, become a student of the hobby gaining an education through this forum's many excellent resources. There are side by side comparison photos showing original vs. aftermarket dials, text, day and date window boxes/frames, bezels, casebacks and more. Everything of value is forged and reproduced and sold as authentic. It's up to you to know the difference and protect yourself. Forums like SCWF and its members with years of experience are here to help minimize mistakes but the final decision for a purchase remains with the buyer and his ability to get what he pays for and what he receives is what he expects.
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My very first Seiko purchase was a franken 5. The dial and back plate didn't match and the case had been polished out of recognition. The watch runs well enough but who know's what movement it's using.


I'm always that little more cautious when buying from sellers located in India and Venezuela, as from my experience that's where a lot of them seem to come from. I obviously don't want to tar an entire country with the same brush, but a little extra caution can save some headaches.


A good practice that I've gotten into is to view the seller's other for sale items if I'm even slightly wary. Even if the watch you're interested in looks acceptable, there might be others they're selling which are more obviously fake/franken which is a good indicator that your watch will be too.
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My second seiko purchase was from an antique show on Fort Street. Turn out to be a frankenwatch and the dial and plastic movement holder was held together by glue stick resin.
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very helpful from another newbie, thank you all
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