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I’ve noticed an interesting paradox in watch collecting (although I’m sure that it exists in other types of collecting as well). In order for a watch to have value to the community of collectors, it must be limited in supply so as to generate a demand, but not so rare as to be unobtainable to most collectors. I’m thinking of pieces like the 6105 Diver, the Pogue, the 62MAS, and the Panda. Yes they all have panache, but while limited in supply, they are not really scarce (far from it). If they were, everyone wouldn’t “have to have them”, because there would be no way for most collectors to ever get them.

On the other wrist we have genuinely rare, but often low valued pieces which are referred to as “hidden gems”. I feel that hidden gems are a good way for a collector to break from the herd by not just having the pieces that are common to all other collections.

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Review: 6119-8120: Seiko’s 1st 70m "Sports” Diver?, 5126-8090 "The Kamen Rider", 5126-6030 “The Double Hurricane!”, 6138 UFO Chronograph, Seiko’s Rally Sports Divers, 6119-6050 “The Regatta Watch”, Poor Man's 62MAS: 7005-8050, “The Gene Kranz” 6119-8460, 6106-6430 UFO Sports Diver, Seiko’s New Rally Divers, 6106-7107 “Aztec Red” , The 7019 JDM Sports Diver Family, 6619-8230 “Simple Beauty”, Sporty Seikos of the Late 60s and early 70s, 7006-8030: Last of the 70m Sports Divers, REVIEW: Seiko’s 1968 Flagship Watch: The 6106-8120 Sport Diver , 1969 Seiko Sports Divers: Issei and Nihonjin, Square 5126-8120 (8130) Daini Rally Divers, 7017-6000 “Basketball/Soccer”, The 7017-6050 Rally Meter, the “Eyeless Rally”, The Pogue Jr: A Durable Classic
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Just posted it elsewhere, John. But I love this one.


Saw one on eBay not long ago and wanted it. Surprised it didn't sell too quickly, not sure if it's still on there. I guess it's because it isn't large enough or maybe not talked about a lot? Anyway, I love it.

Don't have much else really.
Maybe the 7290 is rather underrated compared to its older, cushion case brother?


I don't really have much in the way of gems but these two I'd find hard to let go.
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My Hidden Gem is the 6119-8120 and 8121 70m Sports Diver.



The 6119-8120 came out in 1968 and seems to have had a very short one-year production run. Its size and shape is very similar to the first of the 70m “Surfers Watches”, the 6106-8100, but with hidden lugs.



I believe that the 6119-8120 was the first to have the SPORTS logo on the dial.



In addition to colored dials, they may have been the first Seikos to have colored bezels, coming in black and two shades of blue.





The 6119-8120 and 8121 70m Sports Divers were a stylistic bridge between the conservative styles of the early to mid 60s, and the Peacock Revolution of the late 60s and early 70s, when Seiko started to produce much more flamboyantly designed Sports watches in orange, green, and gold with such things as rally motifs and racing stripes on their dials and bezels, all encased in imaginatively shaped cases. The first step down that road were the 6119-8120 and 8121 70m Sports Divers from 1968.





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Old 12-30-2017, 02:42 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Most collectors only case about sports watches but this 2220 dress watch has a certain refinement that other Seiko's dont have (even the King/Grand/Lord Seiko's)

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What variant is that Guy ?
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Tis a 7546-604C and the other is the 6309-7290.
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I suppose mine would by this LM 5206-5080 that Guy helped source a replacement crystal for and a crystal gasket from Adrian.

Not many pop up on a Google image search.

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Quite fond of the 6119 for a low cost gem. The inner rotating bezel is handy and they are a watch that looks much nicer in person than pics. I have a couple of black dial and a blue dial (still on its way).

Fixed this one up the other day, mvt service, new crystal (I use a plexi rep on these as they look good and cost in line with the Watch) hands relumed and tidy of the case (as it was a bit tired)




I actually thought the bezel was knackered from the sellers pics but was pleased to see that it was ok after crystal came off




Done, even the seconds hand looks in super condition as they do fade.




I actually have a resist dial version and the lume is a lovely tan colour
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Default Mid 80's gold H557

How about my mid-80's H557.

I have seen a LOT of similar ones, but never one with this exact finish and "pill shaped" pushers.

It's all original, and currently in for service and a new crystal.

Sure it's quartz, but it's been a tank for me for 40+ years.
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my 6146-8040 is my Hidden Gems. Would love to find the 6146-8030 one day
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Most collectors only case about sports watches but this 2220 dress watch has a certain refinement that other Seiko's dont have (even the King/Grand/Lord Seiko's)

Very classy that!
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Default Seiko 6119-8080 PROOF

Not a very expensive watch at all - I paid $35 for it. And not all that rare or uncommon. Has the venerable 6119 movement that runs solid. Original bracelet.

But its a beautiful "PROOF" Vietnam era watch - October 1968 and I just love it - one of my favorites and one of the last watches I would get rid of.

For me, these types of watches are "hidden gems".
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Very classy that!
thanks! I got another 2559 watch incomming right now. These 2220 and 2559 movements are real beauty's

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this 7017-7000 is a watch that i hardly ever see for sale
anywhere. i bought a new crystal for it and sent it to
everest to have it relumed...i live in a place where vintage
seiko is quite rare, period, let alone rare vintage seiko.
anyway, this is one of my hidden gems, that dial is like
lapis lazuli.
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Ive got a couple ...





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Aloha ,
This is one of my most cherished watch's that I own.
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This may stretch the definition of "hidden gems" just a bit...

I have a passion for 5216 LMs. The first, a 5216 7080 is the first vintage Seiko I bought earlier this year. I love the sunburst dial, markers, the hands, the case lines, and the original bracelet.




The second is my LM 5216 8020. A bit bigger than the above, with a beautiful linen dial. With most of my Seikos, I find myself staring at the dial, but this one is special!


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My Seiko Blue Yacht-Proof. This is my first dress watch and for only $90.00, I thought it was a bargain. I saw that Brian sold another one recently and I believe it broke the $300 mark.

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These would fall under the category of hard to find to very rare and under valued. The KOOIL is Korea domestic market and from what I can find out is KOOIL is a Korean MFG. that makes the same type of sewing machine and other types of parts as Seiko. My best guess is these KOOILS were made under the Seiko name in 1970 only, the few watches that come up from an internet search are all 1970. The 6119 with the KT dial draws a complete blank for a search. This one may also be Korean market the R.O.K N stamped on the back is the same type of factory stamp as the serial number and the only thing that comes up is the Republic of Korea Navy. The Sports 100 is not as rare, there are only a few pics and Borel has it listed, but none can be found for sale. The 7006 is not so rare, but with a cranberry dial is very hard to find. The Brownie is also not so rare, but hard to find. Only 1 or 2 come up for sale on the internet and not often seen.

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6603-9010 KOOIL WeekDater October 1970
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6119-6575-P July 1975 Stamped R.O.K N With a KT badge on the dial
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These would fall under the category of hard to find to very rare and under valued. The KOOIL is Korea domestic market and from what I can find out is KOOIL is a Korean MFG. that makes the same type of sewing machine and other types of parts as Seiko. My best guess is these KOOILS were made under the Seiko name in 1970 only, the few watches that come up from an internet search are all 1970. The 6119 with the KT dial draws a complete blank for a search. This one may also be Korean market the R.O.K N stamped on the back is the same type of factory stamp as the serial number and the only thing that comes up is the Republic of Korea Navy. The Sports 100 is not as rare, there are only a few pics and Borel has it listed, but none can be found for sale. The 7006 is not so rare, but with a cranberry dial is very hard to find. The Brownie is also not so rare, but hard to find. Only 1 or 2 come up for sale on the internet and not often seen.

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That group of watches deserves a name Jerry - and perhaps their own box. Each one of those is unique - you'd be hard pressed to find many other examples - you are fortunate to have found them and you did a wonderful job of bringing them back to their original glory! The 7006-7029 is amazing .....
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That group of watches deserves a name Jerry - and perhaps their own box. Each one of those is unique - you'd be hard pressed to find many other examples - you are fortunate to have found them and you did a wonderful job of bringing them back to their original glory! The 7006-7029 is amazing .....
Thanks Mike. That Cranberry dial really is incredible, and something you don't see often. Any red dials from that era are hard to come by.
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I'm not sure if these count as hidden gems or not. They crop up in some posts occasionally.

I got the left watch for $20 four years ago, when no-one else bid for it. I was surprised no-one else liked the design as much as me. I think it looks a real classic. I just polished the crystal the the case a bit and it came up ok.

I looked up information as best I could at the time. It is a citizen crystal 7 custom parawater, and seems to be known as Niagara, from 1967~8. It was the first watch they used colour on the dial, to appeal to younger people (and the funky design too I would say) Back then, I could find this watch on a Japanese watch museum site and they had exactly the same case/dial and bracelet too, so I think the bracelet was original to the watch. I've never even seen a picture of the watch and bracelet combination elsewhere so its probably quite rare. I can't find that Japanese museum site now.

A couple of years later the remake came up (I think the remake was 1993 but I'd need to check to be sure) and again no-one bid so I got it for a similar price. It was advertised as JDM only which would explain the the day wheel.

They both keep good time but I never wear them because the bracelets are too small. Come to think of it I might make a new link for them. I had some success making a link for another watch recently, and I like the style of these watches a lot.

I hope its of interest to someone. I thought it was interesting to see the remake beside the original. Obviously not valuable but I think these are pretty cool and I'd pay a lot more for them, even if no-one else would. Lucky for me then.
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I'm not sure if these count as hidden gems or not. They crop up in some posts occasionally.

I got the left watch for $20 four years ago, when no-one else bid for it. I was surprised no-one else liked the design as much as me. I think it looks a real classic. I just polished the crystal the the case a bit and it came up ok.

I looked up information as best I could at the time. It is a citizen crystal 7 custom parawater, and seems to be known as Niagara, from 1967~8. It was the first watch they used colour on the dial, to appeal to younger people (and the funky design too I would say) Back then, I could find this watch on a Japanese watch museum site and they had exactly the same case/dial and bracelet too, so I think the bracelet was original to the watch. I've never even seen a picture of the watch and bracelet combination elsewhere so its probably quite rare. I can't find that Japanese museum site now.

A couple of years later the remake came up (I think the remake was 1993 but I'd need to check to be sure) and again no-one bid so I got it for a similar price. It was advertised as JDM only which would explain the the day wheel.

They both keep good time but I never wear them because the bracelets are too small. Come to think of it I might make a new link for them. I had some success making a link for another watch recently, and I like the style of these watches a lot.

I hope its of interest to someone. I thought it was interesting to see the remake beside the original. Obviously not valuable but I think these are pretty cool and I'd pay a lot more for them, even if no-one else would. Lucky for me then.

Yeah, I'd say those qualify. And not necessarily about cost. Those are awesome watches - hang on to them!
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