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Old 02-26-2016, 11:47 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Just sold a 6105 on ebay last night. All of the information about the watch was listed in the description. It was stated in the auction that the movement was a 7546 quartz. The winning bidder messages me 4 hours after he won asking me if the movement was automatic and asking for a picture of the movement. It says he is from the united states. Also he hasnt paid yet. Now im not jumping for payment just yet i will give him a few more days but asking about what movement is inside the watch 4 hours after the auction ended and clearly it was stated in the description is giving me not a good feeling. Thoughts? Ideas? Guidance?
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:50 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Im afraid ebay is full of idiots (both sellers and buyers),its a cross you have to bear if you trade on ebay.
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Was the winner a last min sniper or had he bid with plenty of time to have read your full description ? doesent sound promising from your end
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Old 02-26-2016, 11:56 AM   #4 (permalink)
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Setting up for a partial refund. I would never ask for a partial if it was listed correctly, but do if it was not. When I pay for something I am paying for what the description says. When it does not match the description then it is not what you payed for.

I had a problem just recently with a member here that said I was strong arming him by not leaving him feedback immediately while there was still a discrepancy with his description. I guess he wanted me to leave positive feedback before the problem was resolved. I try to list any and all problems with a watch when I list it.

I feel like you are just asking for a problem when you try to hid something, which was clearly not the case with your listing.
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He was actually the last bidder and for the last hour i didnt recieve another bid. So he had plenty of time to read.
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Relist it...If paid... Refund and do not ship.
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Just state the facts and that you clearly described it but say you don't mind cancellation.

I would simply relist it and move on.

I get in to the habit of putting the details in bold in the listing, underlined maybe or even in a different colour. Maybe in your listing put quartz movement in the title to avoid any more trouble. Unfortunately I think it has to be this way!
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Setting up for a partial refund. I would never ask for a partial if it was listed correctly, but do if it was not. When I pay for something I am paying for what the description says. When it does not match the description then it is not what you payed for.

I had a problem just recently with a member here that said I was strong arming him by not leaving him feedback immediately while there was still a discrepancy with his description. I guess he wanted me to leave positive feedback before the problem was resolved. I try to list any and all problems with a watch when I list it.

I feel like you are just asking for a problem when you try to hid something, which was clearly not the case with your listing.
Yes i was very clear stating the watch had a 7546 Quartz movement. There are no secrets with the watch. I only had 2 questions asked since it was posted for auction. So its not like they didnt understand.
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Just state the facts and that you clearly described it but say you don't mind cancellation.

I would simply relist it and move on.

I get in to the habit of putting the details in bold in the listing, underlined maybe or even in a different colour. Maybe in your listing put quartz movement in the title to avoid any more trouble. Unfortunately I think it has to be this way!
And than i have to call ebay and see if they can cancel the final seller fees.. $60 is $60
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Nah, you should be able to cancel order from your end and you'll get a final value credit.
Just relist it.
If there is an issue, then call eBay, but I don't believe you'll have to.

It's a hassle, I know all about calling eBay....
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Yes i was very clear stating the watch had a 7546 Quartz movement. There are no secrets with the watch. I only had 2 questions asked since it was posted for auction. So its not like they didnt understand.

I think in answer to his question, I would just refer him back to the description in the listing for the answer.
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I think in answer to his question, I would just refer him back to the description in the listing for the answer.
That's what I would do, too...and ask what the "buyer" how he wants to proceed.
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The ad was easy to read and plainly stated about the movement. Should be no surprise there. What is the sellers feedback score?

Just looked and the buyer bid 30 hours before ending. Plenty of time to read and understand the ad. Cancel and relist.

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The ad was easy to read and plainly stated about the movement. Should be no surprise there. What is the sellers feedback score?

Just looked and the buyer bid 30 hours before ending. Plenty of time to read and understand the ad. Cancel and relist.
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Just got the email from him:
Sorry bro..
I cancel
I think Auto..
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Accept his cancellation and offer the watch as a 'second chance' offer to the bidder who, in this case, only bid $10 lower than the finish price.
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My response was, i wrote it clearly in the description. How could you not see it? His response was "i read less".

So thats the story.. I think im gonna use ebay from now on just for purchase and not sell. I think ebay needs to come up with some forceful rules for buyers that they need to follow.
It shouldnt be that easy for buyers to cancel out because of their own stupidity..
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Don't ditch ebay just because of one dipshit.. however there's plenty out there.

Maybe just put at the top of your listings "READ ENTIRE DESCRIPTION BEFORE BIDDING" or something. Surely they can't miss that.

But then, some people are so stupid i wouldn't put it past them..
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Old 02-27-2016, 01:49 AM   #20 (permalink)
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Who says "bro" to a seller?

Count your lucky stars he wants to cancel!



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Yeah mutual cancellation does lead to refund of seller fees
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I've found over the years that you can answer every possible question proactively in your description and STILL get asked the questions that would be answered if the dummies would just READ THE DESCRIPTION.

I agree with the above, at least "bro" didn't receive the watch and post neg feedback, complain to eBay, etc...

Will a 6309 movement fit in that watch?
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I've found over the years that you can answer every possible question proactively in your description and STILL get asked the questions that would be answered if the dummies would just READ THE DESCRIPTION.

I agree with the above, at least "bro" didn't receive the watch and post neg feedback, complain to eBay, etc...

Will a 6309 movement fit in that watch?
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I wouldn't cancel the sale. I'd do it by the book, open an unpaid item case, ebay will refund your final value fee etc.
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Hmm, you can't open that until 7 days have passed, feca67? I'm not too sure.
Also wouldn't that maybe get the buyer's back up and leave neg feedback, as that will go against the buyer's account.

Nothing wrong with cancelling the sale AFAIK. I've done it, and been on the receiving end of it as a buyer of a bergeon screwdriver, I tried to cancel it to be sure the seller got the fee back, but it wouldn't let me, stating it was already cancelled.

I cancelled an order for a buyer who couldn't pay straight away and was going to be two weeks to wait..

I explained politely this wasn't quite what I was happy with and I cancelled the order:

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Hello Guy
You cancelled an order from ******, and we already notified them. You don't need to do anything else because the buyer hasn't paid for this order yet.
You'll get a final value fee credit on your account that you can apply toward listing more items for sale on eBay. Please note that it can take up to 24 hours to post the final value fee credit to your account.

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I think issues may occure when the buyer has paid, in which case it needs the cooperation of both parties to ensure the cancellation is done. As long as the buyer isn't surprised by this happening it may be the case that one can do what I did, refund the payment and cancel the order.


If all that fils then ebay will help as long as the item gets relisted. Even then they might not necessarily need to see it relisted to apply the credit.

I will say this, though. eBay doesn't make it explictly clear what will happen in certain situations and that's a bit of a ballo acheo.
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