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Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« on: September 05, 2010, 04:00:02 PM »
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    Strip  & clean the main case.

  • Tools       needed bezel knife.
     
 
 
  • Rotate       the bezel and find the cut out, this is a small section underneath the       bezel that has been factory ground away to assist removal.
     
 
 
  • When I have located it I always turn it       round until it is at the 12 position, now slide the blade into the recess       and work it along a little while twisting the blade and the bezel will       come away from the case.
     
 
  • Also       in the previous step you can place some tape/paper on the case under the       bezel tool to prevent damage to the case.
     
 
  • Now       the bezel is off you can see the crystal retaining ring this also has a       recess ground into the bottom face, find the recess and again insert your       bezel tool into it and gently prize the retainer off.
     
 
  • Now       just push the crystal out from the back of the case, often on a old watch       the crystal gasket will come out with the crystal (with this one all three       came out together), then there is the thin metal shim that the gasket sits       on to come out followed by the chapter ring.
     
 
  • After       inspecting the case I will now drop it into the ultrasonic cleaner along       with the bezel, retaining ring and crown/stem for a few cycles to remove       any gunk or dirt.
     
Observations:
The crystal badly marked and will be replaced I am going to  use one of Harolds flat sapphires on this one for a change.
 
The click ball and spring are missing but I have a set of  OEM spares to use so no problem replacing them.
 
The crystal retaining ring is dirty but in good condition.
 
The bezel was very loose and the gasket had disintegrated  and was no longer there.


To remove the insert basically just prize it away from the bezel, if you are going to reuse the insert then it is best to work around the bezel a little at a time so as not to bend the insert by trying to get it all out at once.

 
The original insert is poor so again I will be replacing it  with more than likely one of Harold’s that he has had made very close to the  original specifications, I have used the ones from the 007 (OEM) in the past  but I think the big dot looks better, obviously any of the numerous inserts  that are available from many sources can also be used, Noah has a good range if  you fancy something different at this stage. But for me I want this to be as  near original looking as I can (going to be a keeper spare).
 
The case in general shows it’s age so I will do some  refinishing to get it looking better if I can.
 














 
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #1 on: September 05, 2010, 06:00:04 PM »
What is the chapter ring made of?  I expected it to be plastic but it feels heavier than that.  Painted brass?

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2010, 06:02:03 PM »
What is the chapter ring made of?  I expected it to be plastic but it feels heavier than that.  Painted brass?

As you say painted brass as you can take the paint off and polish up the metal as i have seen done a few times.
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2010, 06:50:23 PM »
what about those of us without an ultrasonic cleaner ... what do they cost, and a source/brand?
great pics and explanations so far btw John thanks
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2010, 06:54:45 PM »
what about those of us without an ultrasonic cleaner ... what do they cost, and a source/brand?
great pics and explanations so far btw John thanks

Hi Ross the ultrasonic cleaner i bought from the bay was about £20/$30 and a good investment for the $$$, cleans loads of things, watch parts, bracelets, jewellery etc etc and does a good job.

I just use warm water and washing up liquid for the case parts and bracelets.
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #5 on: September 05, 2010, 06:59:41 PM »
Just a quick word on Ultra Sonic Cleaners....


I too bought a "decent" one for around $30USD a few years ago (looks exactly like John's) and used it quite a bit to clean my modeling airbrushes and supplies. Funny thing happened though after about a year's worth of use (I'd clean parts at least once a week)---the entire lid, hinge, outer shell and basket basically cracked and fell apart. I think the vibrations weakened the plastic to failure and I had to toss it.


Anyway, just thought I'd share that tidbit. I am going to buy a much better one this time. These cheap ones are only good for occasional usage, but not high volume work.


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Mike

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #6 on: September 05, 2010, 07:22:00 PM »
thanks for the info gents I will take a look on the bay for now
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #7 on: September 05, 2010, 08:46:45 PM »
I'm also interested in ultra sonic cleaners. I've seen the economy ones but I'm wondering if the additional expense is warranted for a commercial unit? I would expect it to last longer but will it also clean better? Any thoughts?
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #8 on: September 05, 2010, 09:07:30 PM »
I'm also interested in ultra sonic cleaners. I've seen the economy ones but I'm wondering if the additional expense is warranted for a commercial unit? I would expect it to last longer but will it also clean better? Any thoughts?
Tom

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I don't know but i would assume they would last longer and perhaps clean better even though the cheap machines seem to do a good job IMO but at something like 10 or 15 times the price !!! I don't know and at that sort of cost for how often i use mine I can afford to buy a new cheap one every year but...........as with all tools you get what you pay for and in my experience the better the tool the better the job it does.
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #9 on: September 05, 2010, 09:46:26 PM »
As I take it all apart, there are a number of gaskets that I'm sure will need replacing.


So far I've counted one on the caseback (or should be, but wasn't one there in my case) one for the crystal and one for the bezel.
Do we have a good source for these replacement items?


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Kai

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #10 on: September 05, 2010, 09:51:52 PM »
As I take it all apart, there are a number of gaskets that I'm sure will need replacing.


So far I've counted one on the caseback (or should be, but wasn't one there in my case) one for the crystal and one for the bezel.
Do we have a good source for these replacement items?


Cheers,
Kai

There are a few source's for the gaskets depending on whether you want OEM or after market, Rob or Luka great service for OEM, Jake for after market or you can get some of them from the likes of Borels or ebay.

The after market are a lot cheaper than the OEM, I have used both and got on with them fine but if i was going to dive i would go for the OEM but I honestly don't know if they perform any better.
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #11 on: September 05, 2010, 10:17:52 PM »
There are a few source's for the gaskets depending on whether you want OEM or after market, Rob or Luka great service for OEM, Jake for after market or you can get some of them from the likes of Borels or ebay.

The after market are a lot cheaper than the OEM, I have used both and got on with them fine but if i was going to dive i would go for the OEM but I honestly don't know if they perform any better.
Can we start another thread to gather information about what parts to get from who and how to contact them? Then as we progress through this exercise, we can easily get in touch with the relevant merchants to get the parts we need?

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #12 on: September 05, 2010, 10:31:37 PM »
Can we start another thread to gather information about what parts to get from who and how to contact them? Then as we progress through this exercise, we can easily get in touch with the relevant merchants to get the parts we need?

Check through this post again there are quite a few details in it.

http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,6620.0.html
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #13 on: September 05, 2010, 10:41:00 PM »
I bought an ultrasonic like John's just this past week while in San Fran.   This is the one I bought: http://www.ottofrei.com/store/product.php?productid=13260&cat=0&page=1
Seems to work quite well.


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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #14 on: September 05, 2010, 10:55:20 PM »
Figured I put my pics in the wrong place.

Movement out:


Crystal out


Parts before cleaning:




New little electrostatic cleaner I picked up at Otto Frei's (discovered very near my hotel in San Fran this week while there on business)



Post cleaning.  (I think a toothbrush and soap would clean just as well as ultrasonic)



After some light polishing and a ding removal: I used dry wet sandpaper 300, 600, and 1000 grit to remove a ding.  Followed by polishing with a cotton wheel and compound.




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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #15 on: September 05, 2010, 10:56:07 PM »
Check through this post again there are quite a few details in it.

http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,6620.0.html


Those details are good - can it be amended with a one-line description outlining what kinds of items each of those merchants sell?

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #16 on: September 06, 2010, 02:55:06 AM »
I bought an ultrasonic like John's just this past week while in San Fran.   This is the one I bought: http://www.ottofrei.com/store/product.php?productid=13260&cat=0&page=1
Seems to work quite well.




Hi cwood, just to be clear on my remarks, yes these units will do a good job. It was only after prolonged use that the plastic started to crack and deteriorate. Everyone's mileage will vary of course, but wanted to give a heads-up if anyone was thinking of deciding between the low-priced and higher-priced ones. I'm going to get one that at least has a metal liner inside, but that is because I'll put it to a lot of use between this hobby and my other one.


Your watch clean-up'd nicely.  :great:


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Mike

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #17 on: September 06, 2010, 03:00:03 AM »
Hi Mike

The inside is stainless (the bin) but the lid is all plastic.  I figured ok for infrequent use.  We shall see.

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #18 on: September 06, 2010, 11:46:46 AM »
Just to be clear John, you used soap and a dash of washing up liquid (dish soap) in your cleaner rather than cleaning fluid?

In your opinion, there's no cheap safe way of cleaning this stuff otherwise?  (i.e. the cost of the parts we break will be more than a cleaner).

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #19 on: September 06, 2010, 12:16:08 PM »
Just to be clear John, you used soap and a dash of washing up liquid (dish soap) in your cleaner rather than cleaning fluid?

In your opinion, there's no cheap safe way of cleaning this stuff otherwise?  (i.e. the cost of the parts we break will be more than a cleaner).

From my perspective, now having one, I would say that the ultrasonic cleaners don't do anything magic.  I would say a convenience because they get in all the nooks etc.  With a bare case, a good soapy soaking and toothbrush will get you the same result.  A mild abrasive like toothpaste may also help.  Now, movement parts is different....so small it would be hard to brush them :-).  For them I found the ultrasonic to be great.

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #20 on: September 06, 2010, 02:49:12 PM »
My experience of ultrasonics, having used them for 13 years:


A good-quality ultrasonic tank will last a long time. My 3-litre Elma tank was the first one I bought, 13 years ago. It gets used, on average, twice a week, for at least an hour each time. It still works perfectly, and is in very good condition, being all-stainless construction. This tank is used for cleaning clocks, and is left filled with Horolene fluid 24/7. The downside with this fairly large tank is that it takes about 20 minutes to heat up.


3 years ago, I bought a small plastic tank, similar to the on pictured above. This one was used, until very recently, for cleaning watch parts, very small clocks, slot cars, and RC electric motors. The tank is partially filled with water, and the parts and cleaning fluid are put into small plastic pots (spray can lids), which sit in the tank. This keeps the tank clean, and doesn't seem to affect the cleaning process. For movement parts, I use L&R fluids. For watch cases and slot cars/RC motors, I use tap water with a dash of Fairy dishwashing soap.


This year, I bought a larger plastic tank (1 litre stainless liner) with a more powerful transducer. This cleans faster than the small one, and has the benefit of holding more plastic pots. It also warms the fluid, which aids cleaning. This machine is getting a lot of use, and has performed flawlessly.


For occasional use, the £20 eBay machines are fine. For the hobbyist, it's worth spending £60 for a larger, more powerful, machine.


For movement parts, an ultrasonic will clean using safe fluids. You can use manual methods, but only if you are willing to use some pretty nasty solvents.

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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #21 on: September 06, 2010, 07:05:27 PM »
Just to be clear John, you used soap and a dash of washing up liquid (dish soap) in your cleaner rather than cleaning fluid?

In your opinion, there's no cheap safe way of cleaning this stuff otherwise?  (i.e. the cost of the parts we break will be more than a cleaner).

Hi no I don't use any soap I just use washing up liquid (Fairy LoL) and warm water and i find it does do a great job and i don't think the tooth brush could do as good a job on the bracelets as these do and for me as a hobyist i would not be without it (doe's a good job on dentures as well !!! ) ;)
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2010, 08:32:48 AM »
Hi no I don't use any soap I just use washing up liquid (Fairy LoL) and warm water and i find it does do a great job and i don't think the tooth brush could do as good a job on the bracelets as these do and for me as a hobyist i would not be without it (doe's a good job on dentures as well !!! ) ;)

So would a denture cleaning machine work??

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« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2010, 09:19:28 AM »

So would a denture cleaning machine work??

Never seen one Tony but if it works on the same principle I should imagine it would.

ps: Just for the record I never clean my dentures at the same time as my watch parts  ;)
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Re: Part#10: Strip and clean the case
« Reply #24 on: September 07, 2010, 11:29:03 AM »
I bought a reasonably priced ultrasonic from a parts supplier here in Brisbane - about $150 Aussie, all stainless steel. I use a tea strainer for movement parts, and the machine came with a large basket for the case and bigger bits. But guys, tell the wife you can use it to clean jewelry. It does a great job, and then there's no arguement about spending a few extra dollars on a good one. I do all the wife's jewelry about four times a year and she is well pleased. Yes, you can clean the case with a toothbrush, but for small parts and bracelets there is nothing better than an ultrasonic.