Sad Story and Part(s) Question

[Steadman1984]

Hi all,


I was so happy with my new Bell, bought it online, showed it off here, and thanks for all the info and advise, (the watch ran normal, nothing missing)

but I wanted the crystal replaced (it was badly cracked) but there has been some issues with the replacement. The first crystal wouldn't allow the alarm selector to move nor was there a visible marker! So I brought it back. The second crystal was put on is pictured below. After ordering the first one from a part supply place, he ordered the second crystal from Seiko, but the alarm marker is soooo small, and basically useless, esp fine setting the alarm.    I'm still not sure how this happened, how the wrong part was ordered wrong twice. And now he's a little stumped, as he ordered the part from Seiko. He has another one coming, but I don't have a good feeling about it.
I checked out the parts pages and I can't tell what the alarm ring is, is it the Bezel?


Is it possible that he took out the crystal and bezel but only replaced the crystal (and not the bezel), and the slight marker I see on the watch where the bezel should be is a marker to help locate the correct place to line up the bezel that sits on this piece of the crystal?


I made the problem worse, as he gave me the cracked glass, which I threw out before checking the watch    after the first crystal replacement
I am now concluding that that crystal had the bezel ring connected/in it? So did I throw out an original piece that I could have used!
I have so many phone mounting bases, rubber feet, extra dowels, IDE drives, I keep everything I have no idea why I threw that I away, I even knew in the back of my head that I shouldn't have thrown it away while I was doing it. 


This whole thing is bumming me out  can someone help me understand whats gone wrong with this crystal replacement. I really liked the swoosh alarm marker over the triangle, am I still going to be able to have it looking like it did when I started? can I still get the swoosh alarm marker (bezel?)
Do I need part no 83369369 or 83369361?


The first photo is of the original glass, the other two show the crystal replacement with almost no visible alarm marker (moving from 6:00 to 7:00) I added a red arrow next to the alarm marker to make it easier to see


Any help would be great!

[rileynp]

I checked out the parts pages and I can't tell what the alarm ring is, is it the Bezel?[/size]

No, the bezel is the outer, decorative metal ring that frictions onto the case, sitting outside the crystal.  What you are referring to is the alarm setting wheel.

Is it possible that he took out the crystal and bezel but only replaced the crystal (and not the bezel), and the slight marker I see on the watch where the bezel should be is a marker to help locate the correct place to line up the bezel that sits on this piece of the crystal?

It looks like the alarm setting wheel on your watch has had the painted swoosh marker removed, either through cleaning or being rubbed off.  It is an entirely separate component from the crystal and its tension ring, and is attached to the movement with two clamps held by screws.  So when normally changing a crystal, the alarm setting wheel should not even have to be removed.

This whole thing is bumming me out  can someone help me understand whats gone wrong with this crystal replacement. I really liked the swoosh alarm marker over the triangle, am I still going to be able to have it looking like it did when I started? can I still get the swoosh alarm marker (bezel?)
Do I need part no 83369369 or 83369361?

Unfortunately, it seems like your watchmaker is not familiar with how Bellmatics operate, nor how they are disassembled for repair purposes.  I don't know how the swoosh marker on your alarm setting wheel could have been removed, but you might want to show him the before pictures you took, and see if he can help you source a new one.  I'm not sure of the part number for that exact style, as the casing guide lists two possible alarm setting wheels for the -7010.  Perhaps some one with access to actual spare parts might be able to tell you exactly, but it appears that you need 8608996, as 8608998 is for the fluted one (like this: http://www.mehima-singh.com/index.php?route=product/product&path=34_44_75&product_id=1683).  Process of elimination is not always correct with parts like this though, so try to pin down the exact number before spending money.

[m4uro]

  
I do not understand how did the watchmaker to remove the alarm mark . I am following, far to being a watchmaker, as technical scheme (pag. 7) that you find at this link  http://thewatchsite.com/files/Casing%20Guide/16.%204006A.pdf

And I opened the case, removed the spring case, removed the buttons and the movement came away with all the alarm setting wheel. Now Pressing from inside the glass comes off.


One solution a little rough would be to open the watch and  draw with a permanent marker the mark on the wheel alarm ...  


It seems to me that an ours forum friend has a NOS alarm setting wheel that could fit...see this topic


http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,38516.msg251604.html#msg251604



Hi Mauro

[Steadman1984]

Thanks for the help guys, your posts were very helpful
As much as I like the speed at which using a marker or pen to draw in the alarm marker to fix the issue would be completed; I think it would take away from the  aesthetics of the watch. 
 I pointed my watch repair guy to this thread. He's says he understands now, but he was busy and didn't go into to much detail over the phone. So I am still not sure what exactly went wrong other than, the glass came as you see it, he didn't remove the mark or anything like that, and that he is in conversations with his Seiko parts distributer ( I assume the official Seiko Parts Distributer not far across the river in Jersey) and he's coordinating with them to order the right part. Which he can now do more precisely using my old pics, pics on this site, the posts in this thread and the manuals linked in this thread.
 I'll let you all know how it turned out, when the watch is back to normal, and send a pic
 thanks again!