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Offline Cannop

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6206-8001 Sealion service
« on: January 30, 2012, 12:49:00 AM »
I picked up this 1965 6206-8001 from the bay back in October as a non runner.. It had a nice dial and handset so I thought it'll make a nice little project when I have the tools and time. The watch arrived and true to the description it wouldn't run - at all. Also when setting the time and date it was very difficult to get the hands or day/date wheels to move as the keyless works were slipping and jumping all over the place, the achillies heel of the 62xx calibre.



Anyway this weekend I decided I had collected enough tools to tackle a service on it. I have regularly dabbled with watches to the extent of removing movements, changing crystals, hands, dials etc, but I have never had the testicular fortitude to tackle a full movement strip, clean, lube and re-assembly. Uncharted territory for me.

It didn't take long to remove the rotor, take the movement out then take the handset, dial  and daywheel off and it soon looked like this:



If you notice there is a tiny spring to the right of the 10 and 9 on the datewheel that applies pressure to the daywheel locator. When I removed the plate that holds this spring in place (you guessed it) it went flying! I knew about the small spring underneath the plate that does the same job for the datewheel locator because it is similar to the 62mas and I have changed datewheels over on those calibers before.



So that was the first calamity, I searched and searched on table, the carpet, my lap, everywhere but it was gone. Not a complete disaster as I have a couple of 6206 donor movements so I could always harvest one from them.

So I carried on stripping the plates and levers, datewheels and calendar gears until I was left with just the keyless works on this side of the movement:



I removed the keyless works (which were absolutely shot) until I had a clean mainplate (I took the picture before I had removed the stem release pawl and centre gear):



It was now time to flip the watch over and start on the winding mechanism:



I removed the winding bridge and stripped it, I think that Seiko's winding mechanism is a brilliantly simple and robust way of engineering a watch autowinding solution:





I'm now down to the heart of the watch, mainspring barrel, balance and wheeltrain:



Off came the click and the gear it operates on, then I removed the main bridge to start to expose the wheel train:



Next to go was the balance cock, balance and two wheels:



Then the pallet bridge, pallet and escape wheel bridge were next off:



The mainspring barrel and escape wheel were removed:



And finally the centre wheel was removed and everything was in my container:



Once it was in this state I collected all the wheels (apart from the mainspring barrel) and gave them a good seeing to in the ultrasound bath. Next in the bath was the mainplate and all the bridges. When these were done I did the fiddliest job ever and pegged out all the jewel holes. I even removed the jewel caps and cleaned underneath them with alcohol!

Because I had lost the tiny daywheel locator spring I did this all again and stripped another 6206 movement I had. This had the benefit of a keyless works that actually worked so I needed that anyway, it wasn't really time wasted!

Anyway I took a few snaps of some components after hand cleaning or finishing them:

Mainspring barrel:



Bridge, pallet and third wheel:



Pallet bridge:



Once everything was clean, I started on the re-assembly, oiling the jewels with the tiniest amount of oil as I went along:



It was quite a feeling of achievement once I had the wheel train and pallet in place and applied pressure to the barrel, the pallet started flying back and forth and I knew that part was correctly done!

The trickiest part out of the whole rebuild for me was getting the balance located properly in the jaws of the pallet. After about five attempts it was in and a quick shake showed that it lived!



The winding bridge and gears went on and that was the engine side of the mainplate done:



These little blighters are the 62xx calibres weak spot. The date corrector and stem gear do wear badly and once they have worn setting the time and date becomes almost impossible on bad cases. Luckily the spare movement I stripped had a good pair of these:



The keyless works were reassembled and lubed:



Then the calendar mechanism with a new datewheel was refitted:



The daywheel and the dial went on:



The handset:



On went the movement retaining ring and back in the case:



The rotor and a new caseback gasket were fitted:



The back was screwed back on:



And she's running like a top!





It's taken me a good portion of Saturday and Sunday to do, but I was going into it blind having never attempted anything as in depth as this before. To say I'm pleased is an understatement though, it's given me an immense feeling of achievement to know I have actually serviced a non running watch and got it back to good health.

Apologies for the less than perfect pictures, and I'm sure some of my terminology is wide of the mark but I can only get better! :)


*The edits are because of my appalling spelling ;) *
« Last Edit: January 30, 2012, 08:37:41 AM by Cannop »
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Offline 5seikos

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #1 on: January 30, 2012, 12:57:48 AM »
 :bravo_2:




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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2012, 01:06:24 AM »
You made my week end with this post!

This is the kind of post that keeps me interested in watches and Seiko in particular.
I love the 62xx calibre; it is definitely a step above the more pedestrian 63xx calibres and can hold it's own with all but the best of the 61xx movements.

It helps that Seiko saw fit to make the 62xx in that gold/brass colour; it is definitely class.

Congratulations on the restoration and you can justifiably feel proud for what you have accomplished  :great: :great: :great:
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2012, 01:06:29 AM »
Wow, amazing, brilliant, fantastic and just plain motivating :bravo_2:  thanks for all the great photos which are just great for "us" novices, they really help in understanding the sequencing of the disassembly and subsequent rebuild.


One question on the cleaning, what fluid did you use in the ultrasonic bath? I've been researching this and have been give several different solutions.
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2012, 01:08:57 AM »
Absolutely Fantastic Job  :bravo_2: :bravo_2: :bravo_2: :great:
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2012, 01:36:30 AM »
  Thank You Duncan  When I feel I have learned to Name a Few Parts  That's
a Good Day :bravo_2:    The Stem Gear  ?? Is that the same issue /w the 56XX family?


or the 6139s  Josse Sotto once sent a few Gears  that he had made?
also Offered for sale But They were in limited Quantity I was Grateful to have a few.


 All through your Post  I keep thinking of Tiger John  and the"" Value of Spares""


Thats  why I feel more and more  about LUCK  even with the Knowledge you have and
Watchmakers  When Buying at Auction  or well intended Sellers  So much can get Passed


over and What happens  when there is no Parts Watch ???or 50 yr old NOS Part


That's really a Question  I know Pete K had to make a Part for a Vintage Orient


After searching for 6 months     Your Post  Really hit Home  What it Ment to
Have your Second Mvt w/ Good Needed parts. :bravo_2: :bravo_2:


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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2012, 02:03:47 AM »
Now THAT was fun! GREAT JOB! And not just the movement service, but documenting it for us! I enjoyed every second!  :bravo_2:

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #7 on: January 30, 2012, 03:45:59 AM »
Inspirational!

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #8 on: January 30, 2012, 04:48:42 PM »
One question on the cleaning, what fluid did you use in the ultrasonic bath? I've been researching this and have been give several different solutions.

Rod, I did have some detergent that I ordered with the bath, but that got used up a long time ago. Since then I have just been using household washing up liquid, Fairy Liquid it's called over here! It seems to have exactly the same effect as the dedicated detergent at a fraction of the price, I just make sure all the parts are thoroughly rinsed in the ultrasonic bath afterwards.
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #9 on: January 30, 2012, 05:09:54 PM »
Wow! Great and inspiring work! I have yet to try my first complete movement service. Will have to get some more tools first.

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #10 on: January 30, 2012, 05:30:29 PM »
Great-great-great tutorial.


Wonderfully done. Thank you!
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #11 on: January 30, 2012, 06:59:41 PM »

This is the kind of post that keeps me interested in watches and Seiko in particular.



I completely agree, thanks for taking the time to share and explain, what a great post!
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #12 on: January 30, 2012, 07:08:00 PM »
such a high-quality movement - great post, Duncan!
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #13 on: January 30, 2012, 07:41:09 PM »
Thanks for this very nice review :bravo_2: .
 
And respect for the job you did there :clap: :clap: :clap:
 
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #14 on: January 30, 2012, 08:10:49 PM »
Nice one Duncan, it really does give you "that" feeling dosent it when you bring one back to life  :)  but i see a couple of problems ahead for you.


  • You will now only look for poorly ones to do up now as new ones won't give you that buzz anymore.
  • You will find it hard to sell any of the ones you have brought back to life as once you have worked on them they seem to gain a soul and special meaning  ;)
Just my thoughts on cleaning, i use a ultrasonic a lot and i also find Fairy liquid the best (cheap brands no good) great for bracelets, cases etc etc but..............i never use it on movement parts because i did once leave a centre wheel in my cleaner by mistake (missed it) and the non brass parts went rusty right away (just my experience).
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2012, 09:39:06 PM »
 :clap:
 
Well done
 
Those pictures look so familiar right down to the Cousins parts box.....I have been working on my recently aquired 6217 and used the exact same model of watch for its date corrector!
 
Just waiting for a minute wheel to finish mine off  O:-)

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2012, 10:15:33 PM »
Testicular fortitude indeed, great post+1.
 
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #17 on: February 01, 2012, 02:35:39 PM »
Mate here's my black dialled version with a different case back ;)  it needs a good clean and service! Know anyone that could service it for me :57:


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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #18 on: February 01, 2012, 03:17:28 PM »
Well done fella!!!


Awesome job, looks like you did a perfect job of servicing it, be you felt like a million bucks when you put that back together and it started off!


Well done.


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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #19 on: February 01, 2012, 03:22:52 PM »
Mate here's my black dialled version with a different case back ;)  it needs a good clean and service! Know anyone that could service it for me :57:


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Love that case back Rod :)  :clap:
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2012, 03:29:47 PM »
Mate here's my black dialled version with a different case back ;)  it needs a good clean and service! Know anyone that could service it for me :57:


Rod

That's a belter Rod - love that caseback! I have a 6206- 8110 that I bought from Spencer and that has a plain case back. Most 6206's seem to have the Sealion back so it looks like you have got a desirable one there. Send it to me Rod I'll service it - you won't get it back though I would just have to keep it! ;)

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #21 on: February 02, 2012, 09:14:01 AM »
WOW...

Just wow

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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #22 on: February 02, 2012, 10:29:41 AM »

Love that case back Rod :) :clap:


I've been trying to understand why the "Crown" was added to the "Dolphin" caseback and have found no real explanation, to me, another Seiko mystery  ;)
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #23 on: February 02, 2012, 01:24:39 PM »
Great show! :bravo_2:
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Re: 6206-8001 Sealion service
« Reply #24 on: February 02, 2012, 01:41:17 PM »
Beautiful Seiko up and running!!!! :bravo_2: Congrats on a job well done!!! :clap:
 
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