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Offline JohnN

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Of course, the answer is "It all depends." You need to consider the apparent condition of the watch, the reputation of the seller, the location of the watch, and whether it looks like someone has mixed different Bell-Matics into one. One thing I can share with you are some original prices from the days when these SEIKO's were new.  For example, here is a 1969 newspaper ad for a Canadian retail seller.
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  Note this advertisement is for the now very rare 21J model and the price is Canadian $139.95 for stainless steel and $149.95 for the "gold colored" case and bracelet. If we do some calculations for inflation, it soon becomes clear that the SEIKO Bell-Matic was one of the most expensive models in SEIKO's line of watches.
For comparison, some of the SEIKO dive watches of that day that are now in such demand with collectors actually cost less than the Bell-Matic when both were new.  As an example, here is a German ad from 1973 that includes a 4006-603x (top row, third from left) and just  to the right of the flowery asterisk, what looks like a 6105 diver (one of today's most desired vintage SEIKOs).  The Belle is DM320 and the diver is DM310.  (Click on the thumbnail to expand the image and, when it opens, you can "zoom" that larger)

Regardless of prices paid today for these vintage SEIKO's, one thing we can say for sure: Bell-Matics were an elite, high-end offering at that time. No wonder so many of us today have fallen in love with them.

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I've said this numerous times before but I'll say it again.

The 4006A movement is known as one of the best movements SEIKO has made. A properly serviced and maintained example is not dramatically less accurate than a mid range quartz. My 4006-6031 keeps better time than the clock on my mobile phone.

You really have to marvel at how amazing this technology is. A properly serviced movement potentially has a service life of 80-100 years, a better machine than the human heart. It is also the ultimate eco machine as the movements and cases don't contain nasty chemicals and will never need a battery change.

This accuracy is achieved while only beating at 6 hertz. When you think about it, that is some pretty mind blowing stuff.

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Re: Occasionally I'm asked about "prices" and what you should pay for a Belle
« Reply #2 on: February 17, 2012, 11:20:04 PM »
3Hz..

Offline haloeight

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Re: Occasionally I'm asked about "prices" and what you should pay for a Belle
« Reply #3 on: February 17, 2012, 11:50:33 PM »
They actually run at a very odd fequency, 5.5 hertz. I had a bad math day that day!

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Re: Occasionally I'm asked about "prices" and what you should pay for a Belle
« Reply #4 on: February 18, 2012, 12:10:24 AM »
5.5 ticks per second .. 2.75Hz. :)
many older seikos run at that rate..
a 28800 bpm runs at 4Hz
21600 3Hz

are you sure it's 5.5 and not just 5?

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Re: Occasionally I'm asked about "prices" and what you should pay for a Belle
« Reply #5 on: February 18, 2012, 12:14:53 AM »
you're correct.. according to Ranfft'sdatabase it's 19800 A/hr
divide by 3600 gives 5.5 ... cool

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Re: Occasionally I'm asked about "prices" and what you should pay for a Belle
« Reply #6 on: February 18, 2012, 03:17:12 AM »
I've said this numerous times before but I'll say it again.

The 4006A movement is known as one of the best movements SEIKO has made. A properly serviced and maintained example is not dramatically less accurate than a mid range quartz. My 4006-6031 keeps better time than the clock on my mobile phone.
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 Yes,
  the person who works on my watches mostly likes Swiss watches the best.I have shown him a King Seiko Hi-beat special and his only comment was..."ah, it's O.K." But every time I bring a bell-matic in or he sees one on my wrist he says..."Those were good movements".His name is Robert and he thinks that the Chinese will catch up to the Swiss in 10 years or less.Then the Swiss won't be able to be such snobs anymore.I only collect 1970's watches. I think that was a golden age in some ways.I do make excetions for some late 60's Bell-Matics because I think of them as a 70's thing, and my favorite, the Business Bell, wasn't made in the 70's. Omega was God in the 1970's,but they didn't advertise as much as Rolex,and look what happened. Seiko was realy trying to make a great product just when it became evident that the Quartz revolutin was going to happen.1969 saw the first automatic chronographs and Seiko was right in the mix on that one too. The Bell-matic was probobly a little expensive in it's day, but when I graduated from H.S. in 1977 my parents could have spent the extra 35 or 40 dollars and got me a Bell-matic. I know they spent $100.00 on the latest Casio had to offer.Just think if I had discovered the Bell-matic sooner.
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