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Review: Seiko 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« on: November 17, 2011, 06:53:55 PM »

 
Seiko 4r37-00B0 - SSA003K.  Some people call it the "cyclops" or "Wazowski" due the to subregister.  Not me though.  "Slide rule 4R37" will do for now, until someone really hits a corker of a nickname for this baby.
 
 
Overview

Three words you're going to read a lot: elegant, restrained, classy.  Other words as well but those might be seen a lot.

The watch is breathtaking out of the box - I got everything - all boxes, tags, receipt, warranty card and everything.  The one I got is brand-new from K2 in Singapore, and for some reason it came with the bracelet rather than the advertized rubber strap, which is OK by me.   
 
The watch just oozes quality - opening the white box with its black velvet interior, the watch appeared like a jewel.  It's an extremely clean design, very restrained and elegant.  It is an assembly of simple intersecting lines and curves, with nothing extra.  Every angle shows this.  The mix of black and silver/stainless is excellent and works perfectly with the simple geometry of the case, dial and bezel.  The shape and profile are simple, clean - especially so for the coin-edge bezel, across its surface to the matching curved surface of the flush crystal - in profile the watch is very restrained.  It has the classic Seiko stylings - the mix of polish and circular brushing is especially lovely.   
 
 
CASE:

The watch is large.  It's a biggie, and it wears big.  The effect is minimized somewhat by the two-tone bezel, but since the bezel itself is a serious 44mm across, it still looms a bit.  The watch is only 12mm high but it seems larger, mostly due to the almost straight case sides.    The dial design is extremely clean - the 008 version has a carbon-fiber look to the dial and it seems too busy to me - this is very elegant, restrained, classy.  The hands are also very simple.  Lume is slightly grey, and glows well though not like a Monster or anything.  The Stargate-type crown is a little bit of a distraction but it might be considered a hallmark of the Superior line since all of my "Superior" models have them.   It would look better with a 6105-800x crown IMO.  Also, for some reason I expected the crown to be screw-down but it's not, and it kind of feels like I'm driving without a seatbelt. 
 
 
CRYSTAL:
 
The curved crystal perfectly matches the angle of the bezel, making an overall smooth curved surface edge-to-edge.  It maximizes the 3D deep look of the dial and hands - it looks like you're looking to a pool of water.  I've only seen this before to this degree in the 7T32 Pilot Chronos.  It does lend a small amount of distortion to the dial especially when viewed from an oblique angle but that's part of the charm, right?
 
 
BEZEL:
 
The two-tone bezel is obviously the stylistic hallmark of this model, and it's a grabber.  Visually it's really outstanding.  The slide-rule instructions are only a few pages, which is weird - my 7t32 flightmaster had a huge thick book filled with all the crazy math you could do with the thing, but this only has a things about conversions between different kinds of liquid measures.  My last worry is about that very smooth side profile on the bezel and crystal - there's nothing to protect the bezel surface.  On the 6139-600x watches the surface of the bezel insert angles down slightly so that the bezel surface is protected by the relatively raised edge of the bezel and the edge of the flat-topped crystal - not so here.  Anything that hits on the edge will drag across the bezel and across the crystal with no interference.   The design is visually amazing, but functionally may have some long-term issues due to this.  Part of this may depend on the durability of the markings & coatings on both surfaces.  Time will tell.

 
BRACELET:
 
The watch also shares the Stargate bracelet link - I did a side-by-side and they're the same; it's also possible that this bracelet would work on the Stargate though the hollow endlink has a different profile than the Stargate.  My only other quibble about the bracelet is that it's a little beefy for me - I've always loved the tapered look of the older style bracelets.  However, the bracelet link profile subtly mimics the angle and profile of the lugs, so there's rhyme and reason for the look.  That said, the bracelet tapers only first two links and is straight thereafter - if they'd run that taper to the third link it would have looked nicer.   It's a little thick and stiff for my tastes - see below for my bracelet recommendation
 
24-HOUR SUBDIAL:
 
The 24 sub-register hand is somewhat out of place stylistically, and also is an odd choice since the point of the hand actually obscures the number it's pointing to.  The entire 24 sub-register is faintly silly since it's not independent - I suppose it'd be useful if you were in a cave away from daylight and needed to know if it were a.m. or p.m. but other than that, it's just a style thing more than a functional item.
 
MOVEMENT:
 
The 4R37 is a hacking and handwinding version of the 4R35 which is used in several dive watches.  Officially it's rated at -45 to +35 s/d or so.  Functionally so far it's fine - the hand-wind works well, and of course it hacks.  I put it on the timegrapher out of the box and it placed a steady -10-14 s/d with a surprising amount of beat error - .03 -.04 (dial up, and vertical).   I tweaked it - it produced extremely stable and steady results out of the box, so fine-tuning it wasn't an issue.  After four solid days of wear (nights spent dial-up on the sidetable) is currently +20 seconds total.  Not bad.
 
 
RECOMENDATIONS:
 
Bracelet change.
 
A sidebar of collecting watches is obsessively picking up vintage bracelets, even if I don't have the model they go to.  This last summer, Jonathan tipped me off to a seller in Thailand who was selling off three NOS taper bracelets, Kreisler Stelux ones, in a Seiko parts bag.  They were all bagged, clearly brand-new NOS, with an unfamiliar endpiece.   The links were the beautiful thicker folded-link Stelux ones, higher quality with a unique removable link arrangement, much nicer than the standard version made for Seiko.  I later found one model they went to was the 6106 TV dial model, where the crystal was rounded on the sides.  Anyway, I picked them up for a very nice price, and put them away waiting for the right watch.. 

I never thought that the watch in question would be a brand-new throwback design, but here we are.  I tried it quickly just to see if it was even worth it, and was very impressed - an immediate change in the feel of the watch for me.  I had to mod the new bracelet - the final link was too wide - it didn't visually work and also impacted on the points of the lugs, which meant it kept getting caught.  Thankfully I have three of them, so I removed the extra end links, inserted new removable ones, and got the length I wanted.  The bracelet is almost exactly perfect - the only issue is that the connecting link that goes inside the endpiece is 10mm and the opening is 11mm - there's a visible gap - but it's a small price to pay. 

the NOS Stelux has that light comfortable feeling these well-made bracelets all have.  Since it's NOS, the brushing is perfect and matches the case. The bracelet tapers from 22mm to 16mm and is very comfortable - must lighter and less intrusive than the big fat stock bracelet.  The link length matches the length of the curved portion of the lugs, so it works visually IMO, especially since the links themselves are curved to the same degree as the lugs are.   

The only issue that I see is that there's a style mis-match between the endpiece and very simple bracelet link style - the endpiece has an extra high-polish stripe which now seems out of place. 


FINAL SUMMATION:
 
 Final review grade: I'd say B+ to A-.  The overal design is very classy, stunningly simple and clean.  There are a few functional issues that I wish had been addressed (screw-down crown, independent 24-hour hand, bracelet design tweaks), but Seiko cranks out a ton of different designs and this is a large departure from their recent Baroque offerings.  Functionally it lacks some of the tool feel of a true classic like the 6105 divers (not a frill there, not one) and it's clearly more about looks than extra functions, but IMO has more than enough timeless style enough to last.  I'm delighted I got one, and I expect to see more of these on the WRUW threads here very soon.   Especially since despite the nearly $500 price tag, they seem to be widely available in the mid-$200 range on eBay from a grey market seller, supposedly brand-new.  I myself paid just over three bills.  Why a brand-new Seiko would be going for such a major discount out of the gates is a mystery - I'd love to have someone explain it to me.
 
Next come the pictures, such as they are.  I really have to finally get a new camera.  The one we have a is a low-end Canon, designed in hot pink for girls to take pictures of each other in bars.  Fine watch detail was not part of the design specifications.
 
First off, I'm glad it made it to me - this is how it arrived:
 

 

 

 

 
 
And the drum roll....
 
 
 

 

 

 

 




 

 
 
[size=1.45em]REPLACED BRACELET:
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THANKS FOR LOOKING!
 
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Re: Review: 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #1 on: November 17, 2011, 07:06:09 PM »
Very nice watch, pictures, and review. All I have to say is I shouldn't have clicked on this review because now I want one! That's all I need. :bravo_2:
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Re: Review: 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #2 on: November 17, 2011, 07:12:25 PM »
nice one bro...wear in good health..
 
this is the bracelet version and the rubber one would be just slightly cheaper. :))

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Re: Review: 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #3 on: November 17, 2011, 10:53:42 PM »
What do you think to it now that you have had time to look round it proper Spencer ?


Whats the lume like ?



I think it looks really superb in fact i really like the look !!!
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Re: Review: 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #4 on: November 17, 2011, 11:13:20 PM »
Wow, what a beauty! I was hoping it was a big watch. And yeap, it's BIG :celebrate:


This is a very well writen post, and a very nice read. I'm sure that after reading this wonderfull words, more than one of us (not me, I'm already waiting for one) will think about getting one for himself.


Cool pics too!
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« Reply #5 on: November 17, 2011, 11:44:25 PM »
Thanks for the review Spencer!  :clap: It's great to see proper hands-on photos of this watch, it certainly looks like a beauty. Enjoy wearing it!
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« Reply #6 on: November 18, 2011, 02:54:34 PM »
maybe a dumb Q, but is the subdial a second time zone or does it just follow the hour hand?
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« Reply #7 on: November 18, 2011, 02:56:44 PM »
maybe a dumb Q, but is the subdial a second time zone or does it just follow the hour hand?

It follows the hour hand.

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« Reply #9 on: November 18, 2011, 03:51:09 PM »
Any pointers as to where one can purchase this watch for the lowest price ? USA
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« Reply #10 on: November 18, 2011, 04:17:43 PM »
The 24 sub-register hand is somewhat out of place stylistically, and also is an odd choice since the point of the hand actually obscures the number it's pointing to.

I have to agree with this statement 100%, it really was a strange decision from Seiko, maybe it could be swapped for something else that better matched the other hands? That really is my only criticism of this watch, not having actually handled it.
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« Reply #11 on: November 18, 2011, 04:37:53 PM »
Spencer, How do you feel about the 17mm lugs ?
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« Reply #12 on: November 18, 2011, 05:10:11 PM »
thanks all for the kind words - I've made a decision to finally get an SLR digital - I just have to.  This fooling around with a toy camera is useless.
 
The lugs are a tight 22mm, not 17.
 
The only place in the States to purchase this is at all is via eBay - one seller has a bunch of spots / auctions taken up - they seem to be selling for a good price, the only thing that makes me nervous is that he says that if the item is out of stock then ebay will automatically refund - this seems really weird to me.  The seller should either have them to sell or not.
 
The 24-hour subdial: since, IMO, it's more for visual design than functionality the hand was chosen to mimic the end of the sweep, sort of.  Since it's more for style than substance, the obscuring of the subdial numbers wasn't a factor in the choice to use that hand.  I don't know that a smaller hand would work - it might get lost.  The proportioning of the hand / dial etc is good - the functionality isn't.  I tell you though; if this subdial could be independently set this watch would be a slam-dunk.
 
John, this is Day 3 of wear, and I'm still pleased with it.  I want to try it on a strap.  The dial design is still very clean, very fresh looking.  The lume is good - it's not nuclear Monster burn-your-eyeballs-to-the-back-of-your-skull bright, but it's solidly bright.  The fact that it's slightly grey in plain light actually heightens the impression of vintage over modern.  I don't know if this was deliberate or accidental, but it's there.  The crown is still a distraction, and in comparison I think the 6309-7040 crown style would work best, if it were in a high polish on the crown surface.
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« Reply #13 on: November 18, 2011, 05:12:48 PM »
Spencer, Thanks for clearing the lug width up, Here is an ended auction  http://www.ebay.com/itm/360410740317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649  Check the specs, States 17mm Lugs  ???
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« Reply #14 on: November 18, 2011, 05:20:11 PM »
that's definitely an error made at 17mm...no way  :D
 
 

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« Reply #15 on: November 18, 2011, 05:30:07 PM »
Spencer, Thanks for clearing the lug width up, Here is an ended auction  http://www.ebay.com/itm/360410740317?ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1423.l2649  Check the specs, States 17mm Lugs  ???

I swear my friend - I'm wearing it currently and just put a stainless metric ruler to it, and it's a tight 22.
 
Another observation concerning it's size: this morning I put it side-by-side with my 6105-8110, and the 6105 just looks tiny in comparison.
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« Reply #16 on: November 18, 2011, 05:39:47 PM »
I believe you, Not the seller  ;)  I wanted it verified and that has been done  :great:  Now, After wearing the watch is the bracelet holding up to your standards ? I know owning the bracelet will add to it's worth in years to come, So Is it worth the price difference in your eyes ? TIA
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« Reply #17 on: November 18, 2011, 05:48:10 PM »
I believe you, Not the seller  ;)  I wanted it verified and that has been done  :great:  Now, After wearing the watch is the bracelet holding up to your standards ? I know owning the bracelet will add to it's worth in years to come, So Is it worth the price difference in your eyes ? TIA

Well, the bracelet is solid (in design and performance) - it's the same link pattern as the Stargate, and I personally find the surface mix of polish and brushed slightly distracting - it's slightly too busy for the watch.  It's a beefy bracelet - 20mm once you get down past the inital two-link taper, and I prefer 18mm.  If I'd been in charge I would have probably gone more towards the MM300 bracelet style, or perhaps even an updated oyster.  The endlink apeture is 10mm and I might try a vintage Stelux tapered H-link that I have in the watch drawer just to see how it works.  The watch is like 85% vintage throwback, with a few modern touches - I'd like to see what happens if that remaining 15% is made throwback as well.
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« Reply #18 on: November 18, 2011, 06:17:42 PM »
The only place in the States to purchase this is at all is via eBay - one seller has a bunch of spots / auctions taken up - they seem to be selling for a good price, the only thing that makes me nervous is that he says that if the item is out of stock then ebay will automatically refund - this seems really weird to me.  The seller should either have them to sell or not.


Great review, Spencer. Congrats on the new looker.  :great:


About the curious state of the eBay seller you mentioned, I think he doesn't really have the item in his stock; it's likely that he's pitching for another seller, or even a brick and mortar stockist. This is not an uncommon practice with online sellers so I imagine eBay would be no different.


At least in my country I have seen stockists offer their stock to online sellers to help items sell faster. It actually creates sort of an ecosystem - the stockist can still display its items for MSRP or at most give a 20% discount if buyers get lucky; and still deplete its stock by selling them to online sellers who do the pitching for them for 40-45% off MSRP. The online sellers in turn sell at 30-35% off MSRP, creating a perception that they have "better" prices and thus allowing them to appeal more to (prospective) buyers. Sometimes even the stockists themselves pose as online sellers, sometimes with a different company name. Well as long as this model of marketing can fetch me my watches at good prices then I will be relaxed.
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Re: Review: 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #19 on: November 18, 2011, 06:54:40 PM »
Great review Spencer, thanks for taking the time to put this together it was an interesting read and set of pictures (the wrist shot is awesome).


Generally I would say this one is not really my style from looking at yours and other pictures, just a personal thing in that I can't decide if it is a dress watch or a sports watch more than anything else and while often that is a bonus (in that the watch marries both nicely), I don't see it in this case.
I am fascinated by the size of it however, it definitely does add to the appeal of the watch.
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« Reply #20 on: November 18, 2011, 07:03:07 PM »
Great review Spencer, thanks for taking the time to put this together it was an interesting read and set of pictures (the wrist shot is awesome).


Generally I would say this one is not really my style from looking at yours and other pictures, just a personal thing in that I can't decide if it is a dress watch or a sports watch more than anything else and while often that is a bonus (in that the watch marries both nicely), I don't see it in this case.
I am fascinated by the size of it however, it definitely does add to the appeal of the watch.

it's a dress watch masquerading as a sport watch.  If the subdial was independently adjustable, I'd call it sport.  Also, I have a hard time calling a display-back watch "sport".    The final nail in the "sport" coffin is that the crown is not a screw-down - the case is fairly slim and flat, and the crown protrudes underneath the flat plane of the back of the watch - I guess this precluded having the screw-down crown tube.
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« Reply #21 on: November 18, 2011, 07:23:36 PM »

it's a dress watch masquerading as a sport watch.  If the subdial was independently adjustable, I'd call it sport.  Also, I have a hard time calling a display-back watch "sport".    The final nail in the "sport" coffin is that the crown is not a screw-down - the case is fairly slim and flat, and the crown protrudes underneath the flat plane of the back of the watch - I guess this precluded having the screw-down crown tube.


Thanks for summing up what I was trying to say, dress watch masquerading as a sports watch is exactly right. I am torn on it though the more I look at it...
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« Reply #22 on: November 19, 2011, 04:53:18 PM »

Thanks for summing up whatI was trying to say, dress watch masquerading as a sports watch is exactly right. I am torn on it though the more I look at it...


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« Reply #23 on: December 23, 2011, 08:47:48 PM »
I do like the look of this watch. Too bad the 24 hour dial isn't setable.

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Re: Review: Seiko 4R37-00B0 Slide Rule SSA003K
« Reply #24 on: December 24, 2011, 12:41:54 AM »
to be honest, since the 24 hr dial works they way it does, I prefer my version....
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