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Offline otr002

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Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« on: April 07, 2011, 10:49:30 AM »
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2011, 10:58:23 AM »
Nice work Sir!!!  :bravo_2:

I hope mine turns out even just 1/2 to your 6139's condition  ;D

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2011, 11:14:40 AM »
Thank you :dance:  it's all in the preparation. Big Blue is next!




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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2011, 11:17:21 AM »
Nice! looking forward on that restoration too  :great:

I wish I had skills like most of you guys have so I won't have to turn to a watchmaker for repairs or replace parts  :(

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2011, 11:34:50 AM »
Mate i am totally sh#t scared when it comes to movements  :(  but a file and some sand paper is ok.
The trick is to work out the angles to the base plain, ie how the case was sitting when it was machined. In this case the sides are 90deg to the base plain which makes filing and sanding simple, the undercut angle is 30deg to the base plain. The other thing is to keep the sharp lines where all the angles meet, on the horns, this is one area that many neglect and it looks down right average.


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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2011, 12:00:30 PM »
Always like to see a revival  :great:
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2011, 12:01:02 PM »
Really great work Sir. My seiko guy asked me whether to polish the case on my 6139 or leave it as is.. I quickly said NO!  ;D

These guys tend to polish watches way too much, like these two I bought from them. I like them though  ;D



For sure, I'll totally suck at this. i couldn't even repaint a car emblem. Failed paint then sanded it off too much  :))

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2011, 12:07:38 PM »
A very nice job.
How did you get the coaxial lines around the bezel? The strait lines are relatively simple, but the circles.... very nice!

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2011, 12:53:40 PM »
just as easy, made up a rudimentary tool (bolt and washer) and hot glued the case to it, I then fitted my home made master tool to the cordless drill and spun it slowly, carefully sanding as i went.


When all the marks were gone i finished with (grey) Scotch-Brite, being careful to lift off before stopping so as to keep the lines running coaxlely  ;D  I tried red and brown Scotch-Brite but found them too course, i used Blue Scotch-Brite on the 6105 diver and it matches the original finish very well


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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2011, 12:55:41 PM »
Really great work Sir. My seiko guy asked me whether to polish the case on my 6139 or leave it as is.. I quickly said NO!  ;D

These guys tend to polish watches way too much, like these two I bought from them. I like them though  ;D



For sure, I'll totally suck at this. i couldn't even repaint a car emblem. Failed paint then sanded it off too much  :))


Keep trying grasshopper you'll get it in the end ;) 
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2011, 01:44:33 PM »
Nice work.

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2011, 01:52:49 PM »
Nice work, great results!
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2011, 02:32:47 PM »
Hi,WOW !!! Congratulations. Very nice and meticulous works. :great: :bravo_2: :great: Cheers,J-P
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2011, 05:16:26 PM »
Mate i am totally sh#t scared when it comes to movements  :(  but a file and some sand paper is ok.
The trick is to work out the angles to the base plain, ie how the case was sitting when it was machined. In this case the sides are 90deg to the base plain which makes filing and sanding simple, the undercut angle is 30deg to the base plain. The other thing is to keep the sharp lines where all the angles meet, on the horns, this is one area that many neglect and it looks down right average.


And therein lies the real challenge, it seems. I have a '71 blue dial in marginally better shape than your 'before' shot, but with a bunch of small, sharp and visually irritating dings in that otherwise nice, crisp shoulder. Problem is, I have yet to see a refinish that managed to keep that edge as sharp as it was in the original, and that crisp line is one of the real virtues of this case design in my opinion.

Your refinish looks outstanding, and this is a great post -- ZERO critique implied. Just musing on inherent dilemma. I wonder if this is one of those things where you can't quite go home to the original line again.  (Jonathan is going to have a chance to weigh in on the question firsthand very soon.)

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #14 on: April 08, 2011, 10:19:35 AM »
And therein lies the real challenge, it seems. I have a '71 blue dial in marginally better shape than your 'before' shot, but with a bunch of small, sharp and visually irritating dings in that otherwise nice, crisp shoulder. Problem is, I have yet to see a refinish that managed to keep that edge as sharp as it was in the original, and that crisp line is one of the real virtues of this case design in my opinion.

Your refinish looks outstanding, and this is a great post -- ZERO critique implied. Just musing on inherent dilemma. I wonder if this is one of those things where you can't quite go home to the original line again.  (Jonathan is going to have a chance to weigh in on the question firsthand very soon.)


To true, no matter how skilled you are the lines may be softened but i hope to achieve the same result but with crisper lines on Big Blue. These cases are stamped and then machined to very close tolerances, Im not entirely sure on the polishing process but believe the equipment they use is high end and very accurate, quite hard to replicate in the home workshop.


For big blue I'll be making angled blocks to sand with and trying to remove as little of the original finish as posable and not over restore the case. The big dent in the top right will still remain (but reduced) and it will be part of the watches history (wabi) as will the hands etc.


I have mused with the idea of mounting the case on a post and using the lathe to do the re-finishing, this is the next step and one i will practice on an old "Seiko 5".


Big Blue may well be the ideal candidate to do a, now to orhow not to ;)


Rod

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #15 on: April 08, 2011, 01:59:06 PM »
Really great work on that case restore job. :bravo_2:
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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2011, 02:03:37 PM »
Excellent!  And somewhat inspirational; I think I'll try this out sometime soon.

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Re: Just another case of Pogue abuse...
« Reply #17 on: April 15, 2011, 04:07:14 AM »
Excellent work.

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