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Old 05-02-2012, 09:10 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Again seeking understanding as a newbie to the world of Seiko Divers. Please exsplain the Suwa symbol. I see ref to this as desirable, and again as not. Please denote the facts.
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Old 05-02-2012, 02:45 PM   #2 (permalink)
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Did I ask a stupid question :-[

Foot Note: I tried to find this info and did not find, but I ment nothing by asking if I had asked a stupid question on my part. But I guess I stepped on a toe and I will not ask anymore questions.
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Your post might be interpreted by some as, "I don't know anything about this but rather than research it I'm just going to demand that people tell me everything I need to know." I would recommend doing a little research, and then asking some questions here about details that are still confusing you (rather than demanding explanations).



Have you done any searches of the forum? I personally like to use google with the search term "site:thewatchsite.com"


Sadly I don't know enough to be able to help you, but I would be very interested to see what you find.


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Old 05-02-2012, 02:59 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Your post might be interpreted by some as, "I don't know anything about this but rather than research it I'm just going to demand that people tell me everything I need to know." I would recommend doing a little research, and then asking some questions here about details that are still confusing you (rather than demanding explanations).



Have you done any searches of the forum? I personally like to use google with the search term "site:thewatchsite.com"


Sadly I don't know enough to be able to help you, but I would be very interested to see what you find.


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Don't take it to heart Rick, do some searching on the site and loads of your questions will be answered mate.I know a lot of mine were .If I were a little more knowledgeable or sure of my facts I'd bring you up to speed myself .

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I'll step in here and offer up a little info that may assist....

Gotta love a quick web search on Wikipedia


In 1943, Daini Seikosha established a factory in Suwa for manufacturing Seiko watches with Daiwa Kogyo. In 1959, the Suwa Factory of Daini Seikosha was split up and merged into Daiwa Kogyo to form Suwa Seikosha Co., Ltd: the forerunner of the Seiko Epson Corporation. The company has developed many timepiece technologies. In particular, it developed the world's first portable quartz timer (Seiko QC-951) in 1963, the world's first quartz watch (Seiko Quartz Astron 35SQ) in 1969, the world's first automatic power generating quartz watch (Seiko Auto-Quartz) in 1988 and the Spring Drive watch movement in 1999. Manufacturing of watches is still the major part of businesses for Seiko Epson today.[sup][2][/sup] The watches made by the company are sold through the Seiko Watch Corporation, a subsidiary of Seiko Holdings Corporation.
In 1961, Suwa Seikosha established a company called Shinshu Seiki Co. as a subsidiary to supply precision parts for Seiko watches. When the Seiko Group was selected to be the official time keeper for the 1964 Summer Olympics in Tokyo, a printing timer was required to time events, and Shinshu Seiki started developing an electronic printer. In September 1968, Shinshu Seiki launched the world's first miniprinter, the EP-101 (EP stands for Electronic Printer,) which was soon incorporated into many calculators. In June 1975, the name Epson was coined into the next generation of printers based on the EP-101 which was released to the public. (EPSON:E-P-SON: SON of Electronic Printer). In April of the same year Epson America Inc. was established to sell printers for Shinshu Seiki Co.



Hope this answers your question......like others have mentioned, Google is your friend for finding the previously un-findable.......just let your fingers do the walking and presto instant information


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I refrain from the question and will not bother anyone else w/questions.

I apologize for giving offense, my response was somewhat hastily worded and I can see the intended tone does not work well over the internet.


I was merely trying answer your second post by pointing out that there are, in fact, no questions in your first post which I believe serves to make responses more difficult. I just thought that if you asked a few questions it might highlight what you hope to learn and one of the many kind souls who know much more than I might find it easier to respond.


Again, I apologize and I hope someone can help you.
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Old 05-02-2012, 04:06 PM   #8 (permalink)
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Thanks everyone for your kind replies. I did look it up and I did find the info about:
Dania-Seikosha
Suwa-Seikosha
Both being sep. branches of the Seiko Time Corp.
Suwa designed the 6106
Daini designed the 5139
And Suwa designs were produced by Dani because of limited production. Did find this info here and on the web.
Now this is what I can not find the answer to.......I assume there is away to determine a Suwa dial from a Non-Suwa, a symbol or marking on the dial some where..........under the 150m mark is a small 2 part square, is this what denotes the Suwa dial from a non?
That is what I was asking.
Again, thank you for the help and kindness shown.
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If your talking about such has the 6309-704X they all have a suwa but of different sizes and in different positions on the dial and the less pronounced size and position can be referred to as non suwa (well i do ).


The Suwa in the prominent position and large size is a "Suwa" dial ( to me any way).
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Rick you are correct......

Without going to far into detail...as I don't have the patience or time to type everything.....There is a wealth of information both here and on the web in general

I'll get you started with a link to one of the best resources today....right from our very own site......

http://www.thewatchsite.com/index.php/topic,234.0.html

Further google searches for "Suwa dial" and " Non-Suwa dial" will yeild a ton of photos so that you can see the differences


The transition from Suwa to Non-Suwa took place around November 1981......there are 2 types of Non-Suwa dials those that are produced in Hong Kong for US/North america market 6309-7049 and the other source being made in Singapore for international markets these have a small script under the 6 o'clock marker

Suwa dialed 6309s will have the engraving of "Japan" on the outer script rocker of the caseback.....Non- Suwa will only have "Resist A"


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Thanks so very much Shawn, all the info I have been looking for was there and more, you made this ole trooper happy today my friend.
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The three examples.




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If your talking about such has the 6309-704X they all have a suwa but of different sizes and in different positions on the dial and the less pronounced size and position can be referred to as non suwa (well i do ).


The Suwa in the prominent position and large size is a "Suwa" dial ( to me any way).
That also helped too Tiger, thanks kind sir.
And the photos were of much help and give insight to what I have been asking.
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Note that the "non-Suwa" dials actually have a Suwa symbol in the text at the bottom. In Tiger John's second picture it's on the far right, and on the bottom picture it's between the T and MOV'T.
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As an addition, other Seiko watches have the Suwa mark on them also.

This Seiko 6119 five has the Suwa mark just under the Automatic 21 Jewels.



This Bell has one also.


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Just for jollies here's a Suwa from the dial of a 6105-8110...



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I recently found out how popular my 6309 is among watch collectors and was telling my wife (i found this watch on the beach 15+ years ago and it has been sitting in the bottom of my drawer until 2 weeks ago)...as i dug up more info on the watch via the internet, she became visibly bothered by my incessant updates. So, to top off my comments on the watch and no longer bother her, i told her "i just found out that this watch has something called a Suwa dial...she had to laugh since this is her maiden name". End of story
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I recently found out how popular my 6309 is among watch collectors and was telling my wife (i found this watch on the beach 15+ years ago and it has been sitting in the bottom of my drawer until 2 weeks ago)...as i dug up more info on the watch via the internet, she became visibly bothered by my incessant updates. So, to top off my comments on the watch and no longer bother her, i told her "i just found out that this watch has something called a Suwa dial...she had to laugh since this is her maiden name". End of story

^-^ Well where is the Photo, it could be the watch I lost all those year's ago when I was diving > > > ) ) ) ........Bob.
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OK, here is why I asked about the Suwa..........purchased a non-suwa dial 6309-7040. This was said to be all orignal, but crystal has been change........I bought to get a watch that nothing had been changed as of yet........also said dial was in perfect shape.....no stains/marks...however upon close inspection.....it looks like the hour hand is touching the dial creating a circle on the face of the dial? But over all I am happy to get it @ he price I did.........they just keep getting higher and higher!
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That looks to be very nice, good dial, great insert shame about the hands but you can't have it all, nice one
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That looks to be very nice, good dial, great insert shame about the hands but you can't have it all, nice one
I highly value your opinion here, I paid $179.00........I feel I really got a great deal.
I also am watching one you have up for sale........right now my Holy Grail.......but Mortage is due f/this month .
But I will soon be going for a 6105 to add to the collection.
Thanks for your in-put.
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