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Old 03-20-2017, 07:43 PM   #1 (permalink)
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This is my first time posting so please go gentle!

I have just picked up a supposedly 6309-7290 slimline of the bay for a few quid. I like the watch... but I do not recognise the dial or bezel insert & the hands look wrong & the dial doesn't feel right. I can find similar examples but nothing like this on the net. I've opened her up & been greeted with a 17jewel movement.

I bought it as base for a TST conversion but I'm warming to its charm as it is. However I think someone has had a field day with AM parts until I spotted two identical ones from completely different sellers in the world on the bay in the past few weeks so now I'm not so sure. It maybe from the same 'modder' or this may be a genuine model. I don't know.

I would like to know what I have here before I part with any more cash & love, as I could quite easily reassemble it & sell it back on for more than I paid.

Any expert advice would be greatly received.
Pictures below are from the original eBay listing.
I can provide more detailed macro shots if the discussion takes off.
Many thanks.
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Hi and welcome.

Yes you're suspicions are correct. It's not a 6309-7290. Here is a recent thread with some pictures of what they look like. Even if watches out there look similar to the ones pictured in the link, there are still a load of faked dials that look more like the real thing, except for some subtle differences in quality and text.

Seiko 6309-7290 buying advice please.

The rotating ring insert is aftermarket as is the dial. The hands could be from an SKX series diver.

How was the watch advertised? Where was it sold, and what does the dial code say at 6 o'clock exactly please?

Just looking at the caseback that also looks to have been faked or polished and stamped again. Text doesn't look right.


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Yep, incorrect dial, hands and bezel insert
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Hi and welcome.

Yes you're suspicions are correct. It's not a 6309-7290. Here is a recent thread with some pictures of what they look like. Even if watches out there look similar to the ones pictured in the link, there are still a load of faked dials that look more like the real thing, except for some subtle differences in quality and text.

Seiko 6309-7290 buying advice please.

The rotating ring insert is aftermarket as is the dial. The hands could be from an SKX series diver.

How was the watch advertised? Where was it sold, and what does the dial code say at 6 o'clock exactly please?

Just looking at the caseback that also looks to have been faked or polished and stamped again. Text doesn't look right.

What he ^ says. Yep that caseback looks so wrong; the curbed serial and the 'japan' above 6309 the most obvious to me.
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Many thanks for your input in confirming my thoughts.
The dial txt is as follows;
Made in Japan 6309-1139XR2.
This wk alone I have spotted another 3 on the bay. Looks like some one in Italy is getting creative!
The plus side, the current bids on these are more than I paid. I think I will reassemble it & sell it on but mention AM parts.
All the best.
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Some eBay pics below & the original eBay description;

'Seiko automatic dive watch. I bought it off here some time ago, it is a nice old watch but a bit too heavy and big (42mm) for my wrists.


It is an old automatic mechanical watch so not guaranteed to keep perfect time that said it keeps reasonable time (good to a couple seconds a day when I have worn it).

Screen and case have minimal marks (polished before I bought it?).

It is in a replacement metal strap that suits the watch.

I would assume it is NOT water resistant to 200m without pressure testing it.
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Those closeups really show clearly how horrible it is.

If it was me I'd tell the seller it's a fake and expect my money back. Advising that they should mention this next time. Irony is they'll probably get more money for it if they mentioned it.
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Wow, that is terrible!
I have bought some stinkers in my time too. Its all a learning experience.
Do some research and get an original watch and you will see the difference.
Good luck and I hope you find a good one next time!
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